Re: Delphi 8 vs Visual Studio
From: K. Sallee (nonomail_at_ecostats.com)
Date: 06/25/04
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:11:04 +0200
> I don't see how you could reach this conclusion. Perhaps you could
> provide an example of a company that wouldn't benefit from this
> program.
I think Brian Moelk said it best in his post. There are legal and
finacial obligations beyond the initial buy in cost. Those are hidden
costs you must consider. It *might* be better for a company to just go
with the standard subscription package rather than being bound to
additional legal requirements.
I hope I am clear: I am not saying that a MSDN Subscription is a bad
thing, just that the partnership program may not be the best solution for
all companies.
> You're grateful that Borland is overlooking an important market segment
> (companies that are starting up from almost nothing)? Companies that
> try Borland products should want to stay with them, and if a startup
> company experiences good results with Borland tools and technologies I
> can't imagine a better reason for said company to buy the tools
> outright at the end of their membership.
I do not get your point. Any company starting up or well established can
try Borland products for free:
http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_delphi_net.html
If that company wants to stay with a product is up to how they see the
product Borland provides. I do not see how locking in customers helps. I
think people just accept the fact MS does this since *they can and we have
no choice*. But you do, try Borland tools. I think once you get a code
base dependent on one product you are not likely to move on except for new
development, so why add the additional distasteful psycology that you give
customers the impression they are being *trapped*. I think Borland is
using the right psychology, you do not, we can agree to disagree.
>> Well, I would not exactly say that myself. You can only use the OS
>> and other goodies for developing and testing, hence they are legally
>> crippled. You can not even get your personal e-mail on a computer
>> with the "Testing" OS installed as this is not related to direct
>> testing or development. If you feel the need to test run your
>> software on all possible modern MS OS versions, this can of course be
>> of great value.
>
> I think you've misread the site then. The software that comes with
> MSDN Universal (the OS's in every language, etc) are certainly
> restricted as you state, but the other software doesn't appear to have
> any restrictions, just an "for internal use" statement (which I take to
> mean you can't turn around and resell).
You get a professional version of Office for your use. What else?
I actually have copies of many of those addition "office products", and I
do not use them now, so I do not see them as a benefit at all. Your
position may differ.
> You seem to be taking a very
> "the glass is not just half empty, it's all empty" attitude with regard
> to their offer. The MSDN Universal licenses would cost nearly $15,000
> all on their own. Toss in Exchange, SQL Server and an
> Enterprise/Advanced edition of Windows 2000 Server or Windows Server
> 2003, plus 5 licenses for Windows 2000/XP Pro, Office XP/2003
> Premium/Developer and the other software and it easily comes close to
> or exceeds $30,000 total.
Did you read the FAQ? You can not use things like Exchange for anything
but testing, development or demos:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx
"May I use MSDN Subscriptions software to install software for day-to-day
(production) use?"
"No, but with one exception. Software in your MSDN Subscription comes with
a development, test, and demonstration license. Examples of prohibited use
include:
You may not install Exchange Server from your MSDN Universal Subscription
and use it to send and receive personal or business-related e-mail."
....
"You may not use your MSDN Subscription as a substitute for purchasing a
retail license for an operating system if you do more than develop and
test on your computer."
Cheers,
Kevin
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