Re: i did it too... :-)
From: Andrea Raimondi (rainaple_at_tin.it)
Date: 08/25/04
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:04:28 +0200
JED wrote:
> How many people constitutes noticeable?
Enough to make you wonder :-)
> A number of things can be the cause of this. For instance, hosting the
> .NET framework to use the designer. Firing off several notifications
> that allow OpenTools developers to access the IDE core and make add ins.
> Hopefully the next release will have a speed improvement on D8 though.
I didn't rest on the causes because I don't use D8 myself, but
ubdoubtedly there's a part of us claiming it's slower, and that
can't go unsaid.
> How would including Kylix show us that Win32 isn't dead?
In the cross platform filed, for example... anyway, I am sure you
could notice that there're several unrelated things mixed up.
That's due to the fact that the post was made upon time and
also to the fact that something though unrelated in their own
group, do relate on the bigger picture I am examining.
> No thanks. I don't want to be a beta tester. Plus frequent updates
> can give the illusion of bad software.
You don't have to. But if I care about a specific feature, I may
want to test it thoroughlly.
> What superior services? Helping us fix bugs in our software? I'd much
> rather them working on furture product revisions. QA and R&D teams
Borland can be surely better than me at qualifying them in detail.
> Support is included isn't it? Never used it. You get some free
> support calls before having to pay don't you?
Uh... I'm not sure, I never tried that path really :-)
Anyway I was speaking of services, not support in the stricter
sense.
> Report your examples of this in QualityCentral. There is a whole
> documentation section.
Quality Central client from Borland is nearly unusable( at least,
used to be when I examined it ).
> Chats are good, but the team is generally hand tied on what they can
> say anyway.
They may not be able to say much, but they can listen a whole more
lot.
> In what way? You could try my Quality Central client available in my
> sig...
The problem is double sided: client is one thing and Quality Central
service another.
Both from the Web and from Borland, client side I was less than
impressed at their client stuff for the service.
As regarding to your client, JED, I *do* have it, simply I can't
beleive what Borland lets you download is the best they can do
about it. That's my point.
> I think Borland tries to encourage developers to become BTP's - which
> is why they can submit for the CD. Perhaps if there is room, Borland
> could add some of the more popular CodeCentral submissions onto the CD.
Becoming BTP *costs money*.
Not everyone can afford it.
> No bias there eh!
LOL!
Absolutely not, why you think that?! ( <g,d&r> )
> Watch my blog for something about CDS files. I have been thinking of
> releasing something I've written over many many years banging my head
> against the wall while dealing with CDS files. Even has code
> generators...
Watch CodeCentral for my stuff. It's nice, simple, works and lets you do
most things with very small effort.
> There is quite a lot of comments in the OpenTools source file. Plus
> there's always Erik Berry <g> (sorry Erik). Not many questions go
> unanswered in the OpenTools newsgroups. Support by all there is
> generally excellent.
Yes, I am sure, but how about a few more samples?
Plus, OTA changes every alternate version... you can't
plan on anything serious unless you're going to go nuts to
keep up.
> There are automatic build apps available.
> I'm pretty sure the Dot Net compiler can generate xml documentation
> Native support for HTML help would be nice though!
I'm talking *DELPHI* here not dotNET.
> No thanks. You can't write your article (well I guess you could) in
> the IDE.
Yeah, then struggle with the browser, download the contract( which
might well be "embedded" somewhere and just printed out with all
fields filled ) and then sent. Easier, more practical, simpler.
> A lot of work involved for that one. Would be nice though.
That's why it's called "wish" list :-)
> What do you mean by this?
I mean to have a consistent pattern so that you can
turn a DLL into a package or vice versa.
> Why? Save them as text DFM's and you can do what you want with them.
Just beacuse it's not the same thing.
> What would you like to see? A whole gui to creating the component like
> adding properties and the like?
Not really, a nice step ahead would be for example have the two
separate units( registering one and component one ) and why not,
even the design time and runtime packages automatically generated at
will.
>>10) Improve to-do lists( you can definitely do better than that, come
>>on... )
>
> YES PLEASE!
Yes, right now they just seem a joke.
> Did I mention my client? In the sig? You never know what's cooking in
> the kitchen...
I sure would prefer to see certain things cooking in the Borland one...
> Grab XML Spy
Costs money. I'm not speaking of a full-blown XML editor with
bells and whistles, just something helping you out without
having to necessarily buy some external tool.
> Is that the length limitation?
YES!
> Use Star Team or another Source Control system and do the management
> yourself like you would for any other project. An upload to
> CodeCentral would be a nice addition. Although I am sure you could
> load the CodeCentral site into the welcome page of D8, so you can
> already have code central in the IDE...
Abother nice thing worth considering.
> Good luck with that...
LOL
> What points in particular?
For example, make it less messy to use when it comes to
page generation and the like. I've had a really hard time
figuring out how to use it properly.
At a certain point I gave up.
> The VCL has many examples of design patterns. Just post a question in
> the oodesign group. Almost all messages are answered.
What I'm speaking of is have an ancestor class set you can
derive your own pattern from.
> BTW, I did a search in QualityCentral for any reports you have added,
> and I couldn't find any...
Sure, when using QC is the mess that it is... I downloaded your
client around yesterday I think, so I'll add a few when I have a
minute.
Cheers,
Andrew
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