Re: What this mean for Borland?


marc,
na nochher hot a di oba zaumgschimpft, da Captain....

It is interesting, beside the fact that this, whatever this
page wants to tell us, page from Microsoft is the root for a
new discussion with all the old agruments that we have heard
for month - here again spoken with different words. I think
they will not convince anyone here with these arguments. Except
decison makers. -> This page could have been written, by
an ex Borland marketing guy:-).

The argument, people... that said DEVCO ..... is the better
alternative could be understood as ... they don't know what
they are talking about -> I think this is true for some of
us - including myself, but hopefully not for all. This was
maybe a little unfriendly spoken. Most of us cannot see beyond.

Hopefully DEVCO solves some issues that are left. For lots
of programmers native Applications on Win32 are still an
alternative, in the world of Enterprise Apps Win32 is not
the answer to Java and Web in the Moment. .net has a chance.

On the other hand, yes Chrome is an alternative to Delphi and
yes
it supports the standard development evironment on Windows
for the next years for .net. Why not. I have SQL Server
installed on a machine, installed chrome and can do some coding
there. No need to install an additional IDE...or language.
No need to install Visual Studio there...
I don't want to say that's the way to go but it works.
VS is no longer under discussion it's a fact and it will
be there everywhere.

I think it is not your task to take care of VCL compatibility.
That's Borlands or DEVCO's job. Frankly speaking, I personally would say Chrome is
a "what we can call" something like Delphi for Visual Studio.
And I think this is what you meant.

I'm very sure VS can
be seen as an environment that will be used, because it's there
and C# as the language because it is the one delivered with
the OS.... (g)cc is the compiler because it is there und UNIX.

I would say Microsoft is a company for developers or at least
very tricky in making us believe this. Borland is no longer
a company for developers, DEVCO I'm very is one. This is the
third approach...

Thinking of trying to beat Microsoft with
prodructs like Quattro Pro....:-))))))))))))))))) brrrr,

Inprise same Desaster....

Selling useless products that where bought to late, after
all big companies have bought the companies with the one
people used.
When I think, as far as I remember, Together was
given away for free to the customers, in former times, because
it was too late, unstable,....... So many thanks Borland,
that it was tightly integrated into D2005...good idea.
Star Team, maybe it worked (I remember the Star Team OLAP Reports ....????)
So DEVCO is Borlands suggestion to their customers for
financing all this over the years. Hopefully our money
is invested into the compiler and the IDE and given
to the developers that add value to our business and are
not responsible for all these strange decisions.

I personally see a problem with everyhting in one IDE. But
this is the same in the BDS as well as in Visual Studio -
the IDE is made responsible for errors in the addon's. But
we will see.


They way Microsoft and Borland try to offer alternatives
for a future to their customers is different.
Microsoft ... one way no past.
Borland, everlasting pain. But clear commitment to the existing
code. ->
DEVCO no past just pain;-)... they really will have
a very hard job to do this year, my best whishes.



Mike




marc hoffman <mh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John,

"Supports" does NOT mean "allow" in this context. That silly claim is DOA,
marc.

Whatever you say, Jake. This discussion is getting ridiculous and, to be
honest, a tiny bit boring.

By your logic, the Delphi IDE supports every language under the sun, since it
*allows* any language to be opened up as a text file. For example, what's to
prevent me from opening up a java language file in the Delphi IDE? Nothing, it
is allowed. But nobody in their right mind would say that Delphi supports Java.

Right, since nothing special Java-related happens if you open that file
in Delphi. If someone (Borland OR a third party (if Delphi were open to
third party languages)) were to write a Java project system for Delphi,
this would change, and suddenly Delphi /would/ support Java.

Its simple, really, unless one tries /very/ had to miss or circumvent
the point...

--
marc hoffman
Chief Architect, .NET
RemObjects Software
http://www.remobjects.com

and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
turn the gold to chrome

.

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