Re: Turbo Basic Explorer


"I.P. Nichols" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Dan Barclay" wrote:
"I.P. Nichols" wrote:

While that is an extremely powerful argument, it apparently hasn't been
compelling judging by the number (admittedly speculative) of VB6ers that
have come over to Delphi.

At least for now, VB6 still works.

Do you have any creditable evidence that it is likely to stop working any
time soon? ;-)

Nope. First, define "any time soon" though. MS has said that they intend
upcoming OS releases compatible with emissions from VB6. So far as I know,
that includes the VB6 runtime and MS built components. OTOH, with few
exceptions the apps I'm familiar with use 3rd party components whose parents
have left town.

Those apps will start to break, the available components are shrinking, and
the community is dying a slow death. Like I said, at least for now, VB6
still works.

But, we don't have a projected "end of life" for our own products. We
expect to move them forward, incrementally, as we have done since CP/M and
TRSDOS. So what is "any time soon" on that scale??? If you have a "real"
application or real code assets, you need to make plans to move them
forward... wherever that is. It's not VB.

Many haven't moved anywhere yet. The uptake of VB.Net is abysmal
compared to what they planned and expected. The uptake of .Net overall
has been affected by this.

Do you have non-speculative numbers of VB6ers that have moved to Delphi,
who have transitioned to VB.NET and who are staying with VB6?

I have no numbers at all on VB6ers that have moved to Delphi. Perhaps in
the low single digits for all I know (I can certify one that is not yet
fully converted). We've considered the move seriously for several years,
and only committed maybe a year ago.

As for transitions to VB.Net, the numbers I saw were for .Net overall. It's
been a while and I don't remember numbers like that because they're not what
drive me. I recall numbers in the low 100's of thousands, most being C#
(numbers came from a spill a year so so ago at a Bay Area user group meeting
I think). You'd have to speculate VB.Net numbers from that, but I'd be
shocked if VB.Net users were 20% of C# numbers. MS's public numbers for VB
users prior to .Net ranged from 4MM to 6 MM depending on what you wanted to
believe.

FWIW, the term "abysmal" came from inside MS.

Sorry I'm not a marketeer with all the numbers. I'm a strategist for my own
company, trying to eek out the right long term direction. For that you have
to immerse youself in the whole environment. Relative numbers, and
community infrastructure, are more important than the absolute numbers.

Dan


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