Re: .NET 3.0 Final

Welcome to last month, and I'm not sure what that's supposed to
mean in response to what I wrote. You're not dumping on
Microsoft, you're just overstating a misunderstanding..

And you don't have to develop ON Vista to target Vista, plus, Visual
Studio 2005 works fine on Vista. There are just security features
in Vista that won't allow some things because they resemble malicious
activity. Disabling those features makes it work as intended. Either
way, there will be a fix available shortly after Vista launch, probably
with SP1 or shortly thereafter. For the record, I've run Visual Studio
2005 on Vista RC2 in the recommended (for now) configuration, and
it runs fine.

What I was saying was that Visual Studio 2005 running on Windows
XP can develop Vista applications using the new Vista functionality/
libraries/assemblies/whatever they're called, but it doesn't look like
BDS will have those features until close to another year.

Visual Studio 2005 not working on Vista has nothing to do with it
or Visual Studio 2005 not being ready, it is because of changes in
the operating system that affect certain tasks that need to be accomplished
by developers and the tools they use. Visual Basic 6.0 is alot simpler
than Visual Studio 2005, and it doesn't use any managed code, either.

My question is why can't Borland do like Microsoft and update their
current toolset with the new/expected functionality at no cost to the
developer instead of making them wait for another full version upgrade?

- Nate.

"Jim Dodd" <bcbuilderboy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4550d3e9$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Nathaniel L. Walker wrote:
I was vague, perhaps.

I was reffering to taking advantage of what .NET 3.0 bings to
the scene (like the designers, Windows Workflow, etc.). This
functionality is being provided as free downloads to Visual Studio
users without the need to upgrade their development environment.
I've been taking the RTM versions onto my installation as they have
become available. Those willing to run CTP versions already have
a fully Vista-targetting development environment (.NET and Win32).

With the functionality that Visual Studio "Orcas" is going to provide
(and that'll probably come around the time of Delphi Hylander, or
shortly thereafter?), there isn't much string to hang on to in Visual
Studio's trail.

- Nate.


You may be a little disappointed when you go to use Visual Studio 2005
with Vista:

http://www.crn.com/sections/microsoft/microsoft.jhtml?articleId=193100291

"Microsoft set off a furor among developers this week when it disclosed
that Visual Studio 2005 won't be fully compatible with Vista and that
older versions of Visual Studio won't be supported at all on Vista."

Not to dump on Microsoft - I'm sure getting ready for Vista is a
monumental task. I guess if the Visual Studio developers aren't generating
income for Microsoft, the big company isn't going to waste a lot of time
making sure everything is right. Don't worry, there will be service packs.

By the way, according to the linked-to blog by Somasegar (MSDN blogger),
Visual Basic 6.0 is the only MS development suite ready for Vista at this
point.

Regards,
Jim Dodd
Onset Computer Corp.


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