Re: Bigger isn't always better

In Summary:

WPF is not a VM.

The VB IDE was nothing near the VC++ IDE.

You obviously aren't a C++ developer, else you wouldn't expect
the VC++ IDE to look or function anything like Delphi/C++Builder.

I said "The VCL literally introduces IDE dependence". Of course
if you use VCL or .NET libraries in your application, you are dependent
on the VCL or .NET Framework. I'm talking about IDE dependence,
however, not dependence on the libraries/frameworks.

It appears you haven't seen Qt's pricetag, which could probably buy you
an Entpeirse/Architect SKU of BDS or a pretty nice MSDN subscription.
You don't just get Qt to do some nice Win32 development, you get Qt
for those special circumstances for which it was developed, and is marketed.

What is it worth with no new features? You still can compile with
old versions of C++ Builder, the same code.

You'll also get the same (in some cases, worse) code, similar [pathetic]
standards compliance, and very few improvements in regards to the
toolchain itself, the IDE (whether or not the put it in BDS), or anything
else the product does.

There are new features in VC++. Safe Library, MUCH better IDE, more
standard compliant compiler, Managed Extensions (C++/CLI), better
interoperability with .NET assemblies. All this while maintaning all the
existing capabilities of the toolchain. Did I also mention that VC++ is a
mixxed-mode compiler now that can target x64 and Itanium? What new
features, you ask?

You can't know, MS also deprecated VB6 and nobody expected that.

That is false, and spoken like a true warrior or "he said, she said."

Just ask Andreas Hausladen. He made the original product, but
others asked for the very details of his implementation. They then
advertized their product, and sold it for money, though AHs version
was free. It is more known and used than his original implementation.

Well he was asking for it when he gave them "the very details of his
implementation".

I have no reason to upgrade or use VS. The gains are not the one
I am looking for.

Well everyone has different needs. Some developers develop only for
Win32 and for those developers Delphi is quite likely the best developer
tool that was, is, and ever will be. For the rest of them.. Who knows.

Nothing changed, there is still no innovation (MS or Borland) that
really forces or incites me to change or upgrade. Real changes and
innovations (for example comming from universities) are still not seen
in actual products. Edit-and-Continue is okay, Verification, model
checking, etc. are far superior and usable in very complex logic code.
That is the difference between smoothing rough edges and innovation.

I don't know what that is supposed to mean. There is plenty of innovation
in both products.

I don't see Universities marketing IDEs for years and years with stiff
competition and industry/customer/investor pressure. Universities of
course innovate, but they really don't come close to companies like
Borland (now CodeGear) and Microsoft who release products in
several successive versions and are force to improve upon them in
more than "cosmetic" ways.

Many of the noticeable innovations came out of places like AT&T
Bell Labs (C, UNIX). Of course things like Linux started off as
a university project. But what great innovations in software develop-
ment and developer tools are Universities releasing these days that I
have not heard of?

- Nate.


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