Re: RubyOnRails and Intraweb


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Looks interesting for newbies. However, like all of these other
frameworks that generate code for you, sooner or later you are going to
need to do something that it cannot do for you.

Have you even looked at their product or Demo?
Obviously not.
Yes, I have, and that is why I wrote what I did!!

What does AJAX or a Web site have to do with sticking design in a
Database? Want to make your web site run super slow? Use a Database.

That is not to say that certain "data" (aka Dynamic constantly changing
data), should not be stored in a DB, but for normal static type text? Get
real!!

Morfik is for creating Web Applications, not necessarily websites.
There is a difference.

This may work for a site that has 10 pages or so, but wait till you need a
site with a 100 or more pages (portals and the like), and which may need
to support tens of thousands of users.

If you had "really" looked at the product you would know that it is very
scaleable.

Plus, the back end server is fully proprietary. Ok, fine.
What do mean proprietary, are you referring to Apache. Isn't is consider one
of the best?


You need to write your own extensions. How are you going to do that? You
need to modify your JS libraries, because the Scripting language and glue
tools do not do what you need to do. Well, you are either going to have to
create work arounds, or start over.

Here is a demo show that you can use other offerings that you want to
include in your Morfik design.
http://cooleffects.labs.morfik.com/

They are using Script.aculo.us in this Morfik application.

Here are other demos where they are using controls from Google Maps, Yahoo,
DoJo and ZapaTec.
http://www.morfik.com/#6I(frmXappMain!!)I(Morfik%20Pioneers!frmXappMain%3ASubForm1!)I(frmMain!Morfik%20Pioneers%3AMainSubForm!)I(frmCategories!frmMain%3ASubform1!)I(frmXAppGallery!frmMain%3ASubform2!%22prmCategoryID%3D8%22)I(frmMorfikBanner!Morfik%20Pioneers%3ASubForm1!)

So I still believe that you don't know Morfik as well as you are try to make
us believe.


So you do have control
Believe me, I have been doing Web and Intranet/Extranet development or
lead in the development of these types sites for fortune 500 companies for
now over 6 years. There is no way I would recommend starting down this
path with a Code generator that hid the details from me. All you are
ultimately going to do, is convince yourself you known something you do
not!

I have no problem with tools or IDEs that produce standard code that you
can override, or extend using common standard code (ie standard Delphi
code, Java, C#, Java Script, or fill in the blanks with the
language/scripting language of your choice). That is fine. But to think
you are going to be able to really do AJAX web programming without Java
Script, XML, JSON, or MVC type architectural design knowledge; you are
only fooling yourself.

Maybe it's you who is being fooled into believing that Web App development
can't get any better than where it currently stands.

Read the following article about why Google and Microsoft are getting into
the JavaScript compiler business also.
Do you know more than them?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/web2explorer/index.php?p=197

I don't want to hijack this thread and continue to give you a platform to
talk about yourself and stroke your own ego.
I was just simple presenting the OP another option to look into, to aid him
in his quest for a framework for AJAX developement.

I just want the OP to REALLY look into Morfik, it just might be the answer
he is searching for.



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