Re: Comparison about Win32 / DotNet / CSharp on Delphi, and a wish ...
- From: "Kim Madsen" <kbm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:08:22 +0100
Hi,
Another measurement that could be used is the current number of .Net related
jobopenings vs the number of pure Win32 jobopenings.
In just about each single job adverticement for Windows related development,
you will see a requirement for .Net knowledge or expertice.
That is a strong indicator that if you want to be on the Windows platform,
you will want to be good in .Net too if you want to survive, specially as a
tool vendor.
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best regards
Kim Madsen
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I am a loyal Delphi customer, since Delphi 1 I have registered all versions
but Delphi 8.
I don't care Delphi team develop .NET or C# stuff, but as a lot of Win32
delphi users, I've been so frustrated to see all the negative impact it
has caused to the Win32 part of Delphi.
I am a 15 years experienced Win32 programmer, and with all that
experience, I still can't see where is the benefit of switching to .NET,
or even starting a new big project with this framework.
.NET *is* slow, seems to be adapted only to the need of very big company
businesses, incompatible with the next/previous framework, it doesn't have
the same look and feel, it's unsafe and it's patent-encumbered.
So I have tried to see what was the weight of each camp: Delphi Win32 Vs
.NET and C#.
Just to have an indication on the importance around both communities, I've
counted the number of messages in Delphi forums taken from Borland
newsgroups, with a period of 180 days from Today.
for the Delphi .NET specific forums, 18 groups for a total of 1366
messages
for the Delphi Win32 specific forums, 8 groups for a total of 6876
messages
and for C#, the total message rises up to a whooping 109 messages over the
past 6 month, dispatched on 44 groups
the comparison doesn't stop here. On 18 .NET group, only 2 of them seems
to be alive. Theses figures are for the past 6 month...
* 2 groups with less than 70 messages,
* 5 groups with less than 30 messages,
* 5 groups with less than 10 messages,
* 4 groups with 0 message
the database.dotnet group has 66 messages. wasn't DOTNET best for database
access ?
the csharpbuilder.aspdotnet.components.writing has 0 message - no one
seems to find any interest in writing asp .NET components !
csharpbuilder.adodotnet.discussion has also 0 message. Probably there is
nothing to discuss about this !
speaking of C#, 36 groups over 44 have 0 message on 180 days. no group
speaking on C# has more than 100 message
(borland.public.csharpbuilder.language.csharp has the most with 59
messages). No one seems to have the faintest interest on that ... stuff.
for Win32, 2 groups can be considered as low activity, and none of them
have 0 messages.
so the whole .NET and C# messages represent a little bit more than 16%.
Thinking the changes that have caused 4 years of delay before getting a
stable Win32 version of delphi has led to 16% of the perceivable user
activity on the Delphi IDE give me the impression of a massive waste of
time and effort.
And so comes the wish: As now you exactly know what is the interest and
the impact of the .NET or C# delphi users, just consider putting the right
time on the Win32 part of Delphi. for example, by providing *asap* the
native 64 bits compilers everyone's asking for and no one at codegear's
talking about.
this Delphi 2007 for Win32 is something a good company would have shipped
as a free update - as a loyal delphi customer and knowing all the
Borland's bad decisions until now, I understand that CodeGear is weak and
need to have a commercial success quick for its living. So I'll pay as
usual my entreprise edition hoping it'll be for the best. I would really
be unhappy if I see the next Highlander version pushing on .NET and
without the 64 bits native Win32 compiler. We win32 users had to wait 4
years to get something useful, so .NET users could wait their turn now!
Jacques, A true Delphi fan.
PS: And I would love also to see an updated Kylix, a Delphi for MacOs, and
to be able to link to GCC object files or libraries... how awful dreamer
am I ?
.
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