Re: Comparison about Win32 / DotNet / CSharp on Delphi, and a wish ...

Kim Madsen a écrit :

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If only in appropriate time they have looked to something else than the Job opportunities for .NET

They did.. they made Kylix... And they have estimated that the market wasnt mature enough at the time... partly because of the many distributions which at the time, required different libraries, different executable formats etc.


Oh, nice argument.

Kylix started in 2001 with a version of such a bad quality that should have never been released, last version (3) not even near of quite good, was released in June 2002. Since then, they just stopped to communicate on Kylix.

and now with Delphi .NET, I have the feeling that it's "same player, shoot again". But this time the play last longer.

Delphi .NET has started in December 2003, with a very poor quality IDE. Now we are in 2007, as I speak today the publicly available Delphi is still unstable (memory *pig*, 4 crash-o-day, desktop-freeze debugger, ....). All that probably caused by .NET support.

the only differences that see between these 2 failures is that Kylix never had the negative impact on the Win32 IDE that .NET had.

..NET broke the debugger - just unuseable under D2005 due to stability issues, freeze the desktop under D2006, and remote debugger reintroduced in D2006 still not operationnal

..NET broke the IDE. you remember D7 IDE that doesn't crash as you write code, doesn't barf the memory, and doesn't need an integrated WEB browser for the startup page.

It tooks 2 years to Borland to abandon Kylix that had no visible negative impact on the Win32 Delphi products.
And After 4 years of .NET with massive negative impact on the Win32 IDE, CodeGear still speak about pushing .NET personnality, and doesn't seem to be ready to stop all this craze.

they've just almost died with this fine strategy...

I cannot understand this stubborness. .NET can live happily ever after, but Borland/CodeGear has neither the surface, nor the qualification to make a good product out of this technology. They should let Microsoft put the required time and effort and concentrate on what makes the *real* Borland/CodeGear value, their difference.

Just a final thought.
Now my decision is made. D2007 will be the last Delphi(s) my company will buy without the 64 bits native compiler and stable remote debugger inside. See, I'm not asking too much, no langage addition, no MacOs Linux or WinCE support, no super database addition, only a 64 bits compiler and a stable IDE that is not a pig, shouldn't it be possible ???
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