Re: RemObjects Software, Inc. 2004 ROadmap and exciting news.

From: Michael Thuma (michael.thuma_at_gs-soft.com)
Date: 10/30/03 

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:03:18 +0100

Hallo!

Useless discussion. I've simply calculated the new products without Java
stuff and the non server version of Hydra and assumed that the updgrade
price from RO and DA to 3.0 will be 50 % the product price, still the .net
suff is free. So the offer is favourable as long as the products come out. I
think Delphi developers should consider .net and Linux additonally in order
to face tomorrows customers need. The war of concepts is in the beginning.
It's good to have alternatives. Simple what happens if Borland decides not
to support 64bit for Delphi.

I understand Lauchlan fear: "What happens if the products don't come". I
just can say from my experience. They come and more.

Betas are something different, there are so many, that I had increase my
transfer in GB to 2.5. What you could do is to keep the early bid offer at
least until RO3 comes out. This would be fair, as here is the real break
even point for the subscription.

But now my question does Wolpertinger mean?

Bye
Mike

"marc hoffman" <spam@nospam.spam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3fa041f5@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Lauchlan,
>
> > Indeed. But gutsy pricing as well. If I understand correctly, isn't this
> > pricing over double the cost of a Developer Express subscription? Or,
from
> > another perspective, around the same price as a new-user licence for
> Delphi
> > Enterprise, or 4/5 the price of a new-user licence for Delphi Architect?
>
> > I'm sure it's good _value_ and will be signed up for in a flash by some,
> but
> > it might be a little inhibitive for others.
>
> Well. The individual products are all there, so nobody is forced to buy
the
> subscription if they don't want/need all the products ;). if you're just
> looking for RO and the other products are not of interest, the
subscription
> os expensive and not for you. The same goes for DevExpress' subscription ,
> if you just need the Grid, or for Delphi Architect if you just need the
> Professional stuff.
>
> That said, for those developers that need all (or most) of the products,
the
> subscription should be a very good deal, as it saves you a lot of money
over
> the separate prices (not to mention gives you additional benefits,
including
> but not limited to early access to beta versions of the new and upcoming
> products)
>
> > Also, does this subscription pricing differentiate between corporations
> > buying a subscription and small, solo developers buying a subscription?
> > To the former, the pricing might be a drop in the ocean, to the latter,
a
> > serious consideration.
>
> We're all for equalily, so the prices are the same for everyone. When
you're
> selling desktop computers or printer paper, you don't make them more
> expensive for corporations "because they can afford it", either, right
> (well, maybe in a _fair_ world you would ;-). That said, since big
> corporations usually have more developers then a one-developer shop, the
> pricing will scale...
>
> > Also, just to clarify, if one were interested in the RO Enterprise SDK
> now,
> > and the subscription was not financially realistic at present, where is
> the
> > boundary line drawn between what's available in the SDK and what gets
> > released in the subscription? Obviously the SDK includes RO and Data
> > Abstract for Delphi for Win 32. And I guess it would include extensions
to
> > that (eg like the strongly typed data tables). But will it include the
> > equivalent for .NET, as Delphi moves to Delphi .NET? Will it include any
> > further extensions to the RO / DA base (eg like the strongly typed data
> > tables)?
>
> The Enterprise SDK you're refering to is a fixed product. it does not
> include any of the *upcoming* products. It was never intended to and never
> claimed to ;). Much like when you buy "just" Delphi 7, you bouight just
> Delphi 7, and not Delphi 8 anfd Delphi for .NET. Upgrade pricing will of
> course be available for new products.
>
> if you just need thre ENterprise SDK stuff, you can still get it, at EUR
599
> as always.
>
> > And how does the enterprise pricing compare to the sum of the individual
> > pricings? I guess the individual pricings for yet-to-be-released
products
> > aren't available yet, so it is hard to say . . .
>
> The (tentative, as far as future products are concerned) prices are all
> listed on the ROadmap page, so you can do the math yourself, if you don't
> trust out calc.exe came up with the right values ;). Also keep in mind
that
> the listed products are the *guaranteed* value of the subscription; the
> calculation does not take into account any other products that might be
> released during the next year, not any of the additional benefits fo the
> subscription.
>
> > Perhaps some extra clarification in these areas might help people
> determine
> > which version they need vs what they can afford now . . .
>
> All the values are out there, so the math is easily done. As said above,
if
> only need a subset of the products, the subscription is probably not for
> you. if you are planning to use the majority of it (say, just RO, DA and
the
> upcoming Hydra), your money will be well-invested.
>
> > Great job. Keep up the innovation / good work!
>
> thanx!
>
> feel free to post again or email me directly if you have further
questions,
>
>
> --
> marc hoffman
> RemObjects Software, Inc.
> http://www.remobjects.com
>
>

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