Re: Determining if onboard VGA is used

"John Dough" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:09:36 +0200, "Maarten Wiltink"
<maarten@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[...]
I'd have to see the actual article to see the exact type and
methodology of testing that was being done before I could give it any
consideration, but it sounds to me like the people doing the tests and
writing the article weren't exactly what I would consider "experts" in
the field.

Because you don't like their outcomes? Get real. I'd have to go back and
look it up, but it was something like 3DMark. All nice and fair and
reproducible. If you want to get snotty about it, accuse me of not saying
_which_ GeForce 6200 variants they tested, and how much memory and of
what type was involved.


The point was that you said "a crap PCI-E
card will still outperform even the best onboard video".

They always will, as long as you're comparing apples to apples
(modern video cards to modern onboard video).

Have you been paying attention? Crap PCI-E cards are *not* modern
video cards. They're yesterday's surplus. I can buy a GeForce 6200
(LE TC 64MB) card today, a year and a half later, for EUR 35,-. Has
Intel made their integrated video faster than that 945G yet? If so,
then I am now better off _without_ an addon (crap, PCI-E) graphics
card.


[...] Do you really expect that a motherbaord selling for $100 will
have the same graphics power as a PCI-E card selling for $800?

Is that your idea of a 'crap' video adapter?


So I don't understand why you were under the impression that the
performance of onboard video will be equal to an actual video card.
Maybe it's because you're more of a programmer than a hardware
guy...which is fine...or maybe because you've never been a gamer,
which is also fine. But if someone doesn't have a certain expertise
on a particular topic, why do they feel the need to act as though
they do?

Because you need your brain kickstarted. If, as you say, power is
determined _exclusively_ by the chip, then any motherboard with a
6100 integrated is going to run circles around any addon card with
a 6000 chip. This runs ever so slightly counter to your brashly
confident statement that 'PCI-E' (addon) graphics are going to beat
onboard graphics *always*.

Forgetting for the moment that naming addon graphics cards by their
bus doesn't distinguish them - onboard video must be connected, too,
and the simplest thing to do is to use an existing bus.

Forgetting for the moment that it makes a *huge* difference if
the GPU has fast, local, dedicated memory or has to take it out
of the system's main memory - something I'd have expected you to
bring up if you so desperately need to knock onboard video.

Forgetting for the moment that you are defending 'crap' PCI-E video
cards, and bring in as their champion an eight hundred dollar monster.

The dollar must have sunk lower than I thought.

Groetjes,
Maarten Wiltink


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