Re: Fortran Forum - Oh Boy

From: Gary L. Scott (garyscott_at_ev1.net)
Date: 08/19/04 

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:38:30 -0500

Richard Maine wrote:
>
> "Gary L. Scott" <garyscott@ev1.net> writes:
>
> > > Features Proposed for the next revision, Nagle
> >
> > Darn, no bit/bit string/bit array data type mentioned...not even on the
> > radar screen. Very disappointing.
>
> The radar isn't yet working very well. :-)

Sounds like the APG-**V(*)...(better not say...but it'll get there one
day)

>
> I haven't seen that particular issue yet (looking forward to it),
> so I'm not entirely sure what Dan's paper says, but I can pretty
> confidently tell you what it doesn't say (well, presumably, as it
> would be wrong if it did so). :-)
>
> There *IS* no planned feature list yet. There is a list of things
> that people have submitted papers proposing - that's about it.
> The list is not necesarily complete in that more proposals are
> quite likely to be added. It is also way too big in that there
> is no way IMO that nearly that many things can be done in the
> projected time frame.

I guess it wasn't fully clear to me that it was just a listing of things
submitted, but it probably should have been obvious this early in the
process.

>
> I'm assuming that Dan's paper either is about the list that J3
> is building or is about his personal thoughts. In either case,
> it isn't very close to a picture of what proposals will actually
> get in.
>
> If you are really hot for a feature to be added, *NOW* is a great time
> to push for it. I'm trying to note this in an impartial way, neither
> expressing my personal encouragement or discouragement of any
> particular feature. I've noted above that there are a lot of
> proposals and that all of them (or even a very big fraction - I hope)
> aren't going to make it. Just because you push for something, that
> might not be enough to make it happen, but that's sort of the way life
> is. Still, now is the time to push if you want to.

I floated an idea here before and there was very little if any
interest. Someone else suggested a more modest/base feature. To me it
offered only a little over bit twiddling integers. Bottom line is what
I want is more sophisticated than I think has a snowball's chance so
it's hard for me to spend the time (especially since I've now a working
profitable business on the side that takes a lot of time). If I had
gaged any interest though, I would pull out all the stops (right after I
finish that rock wall). I guess I also hoped it would be such a
desirable feature that there would be 5 competing proposals...Part of my
disappointment is that others don't seem to see the benefit. But then
almost everything I do involves bit and raster/pixel data manipulation.

>
> I can't give much concrete advice on how to push. Showing up at
> meetings isn't necessary in principle...but it doesn't take a lot
> of life experience to figure out that people are harder to turn
> down face-to-face than remotely. (Unless the people in question
> are unusually obnoxious; that can happen, but it isn't the norm
> and I don't see it as applying here.)

I've never been accused of being obnoxious by anyone that's met me in
person. Sometimes my emails/postings come across poorly though.

>
> I didn't go to the last meeting myself and don't plan to attend
> with any regularity in the future. I've pretty much done my
> stint and don't plan to be heavily involved in a day-to-day basis
> in the revision after 2003 (though I'll no doubt continue to put
> in my farthing's worth, 2 pence being perhaps an overvaluation,
> in teh mailing list).
>
> --
> Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
> email: my first.last at org.domain | experience comes from bad judgment.
> org: nasa, domain: gov | -- Mark Twain 

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