Re: Aren't the fuddy-duddies in the group going to comment on Fortress

nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Richard Maine) writes:

There were OO advocates that wanted to, as I viewed it, rip the language
apart and redo it along OO lines. That approach got essentially zero
support in the committee because I don't think there was a single person
on the committee who thought that OO was a silver bullet that everythig
should be wrapped around (a horrible mix of metaphors, I realize).

Thank god for that! It's nice to get first-hand information on the
causes for decisions like that.

To sidetrack a bit: when you state that the committee was in unison
against the more - ahem - "progressive" proposals, where have those come
from? Was it more like (hypothetically) myself mailing the committee for
inclusion of Co-Array or has it came from people with more impact?

F2003 uses very much an approach of fitting some OO concepts into their
place in Fortran rather than redoing Fortran to fit into OO.

Perhaps I it was a bit clumsy stated by me, but I do not oppose OO in
itself, it's more the way many people use it. Here at my university we
have some courses held by people from the chairs of computer science for
economics and they give software engineering not the best support ...

But then John Cuthbertson gave a presentation at one of the committee
meetings. His presentation put it in Fortran terms and showed how some
of the ideas fit. Suddenly, I realized that this did make sense to me,
and indeed that I had been doing things along that general line
for... well... a long time.

Would it be the 1996 paper on the ACM SIGPLAN Fortran Forum ("Fortran
object oriented programming examples")? Have it downloading at the
moment and will read it afterwards.


Sebastian
.

Relevant Pages

  • Invitation to comment on Final Committee Draft for Fortran 2003
    ... The Final Committee Draft of the next standard for Fortran has ... Lists" item in the menu on the left, and then on "j3" near the top of the ...
    (comp.lang.fortran)
  • Re: New style DO syntax?
    ... Many new languages develop quite fast and fairly ... successfully because there is a lot of open, public involvement. ... Fortran works with a committee system, ...
    (comp.lang.fortran)
  • Re: New style DO syntax?
    ... I'm talking about the whole Fortran ... user community which *needs* to perceive that they are involved ... votes have a lot more power than being on the committee. ... Another advantage of widespread public debate. ...
    (comp.lang.fortran)
  • Re: advice on books to learn cobol
    ... committee funded by the Department of Defense) and has been around, like, ... but I recall being taught that FORTRAN predated COBOL. ... The first manual for FORTRAN appeared in October 1956, ... Defense. ...
    (comp.lang.cobol)
  • Fortran 2008 (was Re: Statement function host association)
    ... Has the committee voted to remove any other features from Fortran 2008? ... committee has still not begun work on a new version of the C standard. ... the progressives having moved to C++ long ago. ...
    (comp.lang.fortran)