Re: PicForth 1.0 is released

From: Bernd Paysan (bernd.paysan_at_gmx.de)
Date: 11/10/04 

Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:51:18 +0100

Kelly Hall wrote:

> Guy Macon wrote:
>> The website does NOT have any quality issues. It is well-written
>> XHTML that validates perfectly, and the design has a nice clean CSS
>> based approach.
>>
>> It is Internet Explorer that has quality issues. IE doesn't follow
>> the standards. Alas, a lot of people use it, so the web designer
>> must find workarounds for Microsoft's buggy code.
>
> Oh my! The most common HTML rendering tool doesn't follow the
> "standard". Whatever shall we do? I guess we'll just stamp our little
> feet and cry.

Hm, add a small exploit, which takes over the computer, downloads and
installs Firefox, and reboots. Windows users are used to funny reboots,
anyway. Next time they want to surf that location, it renders ok, and their
browser magically has become much more comfortable ;-).

Maybe you could even use a small page for IE users telling them to upgrade
their browser (e.g. pointing to
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all.html). I've seen many pages
which tell you to update your browser - and it was always IE 5.5 or 6.0
which they were pointing to. I react on things like that by setting
Konqueror to tell the site that it is IE 6.0 on Windows XP, and most pages
do go fine with that setting (although all of them are horribly broken in
terms of W3C standards). Why not tell the user that his browser sucks?
After all, it's true: his browser sucks. And Firefox is only 4.5MB.

> Please - the fact that standards do not conform to reality is far older
> than Microsoft and HTML. I totally agree with you that in an ideal,
> standards-compliant world, the web designer's job would be a lot
> simpler. However, if your web page won't render with MSIE, you're
> needlessly blowing off potential customers on some sort of principle.

The "product" in question is free software. There are no customers, there
are only users. And user count is not really important for free software,
since user's don't pay. 

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/

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