Re: What does this instruction mean: ANDDC #239 ?

From: Joe Butler (ffffh.no.spam_at_hotmail-spammers-paradise.com)
Date: 03/24/05 

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:13:14 -0000

OK, thoughtful words. However, if I then help him to do my job, how does
that convince the 'higher levels' that they were wrong to switch offshore
(since they see that the offshore company has all the expertise that was
previously in-house)?

My experience of Indian companies may be extraordinary (maybe other offshore
companies in India actually know what they are doing), but I'd be cautious
in using them. I'm working for myself now, but I have had the 'opportunity'
to collaborate _with_ an Indian software company (I was at this time
completely open - seeing them as extra manpower to help with a project).
They were totally inept. Eventually, I left that company. The manager that
decided to use them cannot ever admit that they are useless because I showed
that they had paid US$100,000 to the Indians for some software that I could
have produced for US$10,000 (not many people are going to stand up and say,
"I made a decision, against contary advice, that has cost this company
US$90,000). It's not clear what caused this situation, but it was one of
the following:

1. Indian culture causes Indians to be 'yes men'. Therefore, if a
not-so-technical manager mentions a way to accomplish a task, the Indians
will say, "yes", rather than disagree with the customer. This could have
severe cost implications.

2. The Indian company's techincal department were staffed entirely by new
graduates. Therefore lack of experience led them to propose a less than
optimal solution (in terms of all metrics you might think to apply).

3. The Indian company knew that there was a significantly cheaper way to
implement the software product but decided not to explore that avenue -
since it was not as financially rewarding and the costlier solution had
severe cost penalties for future development too.

I've even seen two instances of 'release' versions of software being
released from the Indians that totally flattened systems after intalling
it - that's very scary (they couldn't even talk someone thru recovering the
PC - I had to go in to recover some important data from one of the
machines.). They were, remember, expecting this CD to be suitable for
shipping direct to customers.

Good luck with your job security.

"Lanarcam" <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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>
> Joe Butler wrote:
> > The fact that he is clueless AND will take my job (and yours) next
> year.
>
> He will benefit from the fact that he will take your job but he
> is not responsible for this. This is decided at higher levels
> and it will take more than bullying to address that.
>
> > What would happen if each year your company got rid of all the
> experienced
> > staff because they were being replaced with fresh graduates on a much
> > reduced salary?
>
> They already do it. Our CEO told us that engineers in Poland are payed
> 250 euros each month so we'd better take care. I won't complain
> to the poles though, it is up to us to deal with that.
>

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