Re: KEil bought by ARM

Chris Hills wrote:
> In article <87mzkrdzxj.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, John Devereux
> <jdREMOVE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
>


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>
> It's not closing. Gcc is still about a decade behind. I get that figure
> independently from several compiler vendors and tool makers. In places
> Gcc is apparently an appalling mess.
>
> It is certainly not a sensible choice for quite a few architectures.
>

I hope you realize you have destroyed your credibility by claiming GCC is
about a decade behind. Or were you talking about places that GCC never was
and never will be? Might as well be infinity behind.


>
>>- code space and MHz are getting cheaper and cheaper, so it makes less
>> and less difference anyway as time goes on.
>
>
> Not for embedded systems or the 8 bit market would have disappeared LONG
> ago.
>
> What is 50 cents sent difference on the MCU? well multiply it by 50K per
> hear and you get some idea! then there is the additional cost of the
> memory, the more complex PCB... the cost is on a size* pads* holes type
> equation. it all ads up and 1 dollar per board is 50,000 dollars per
> year.
>
> The other problem is EMC... many want to run the MCU SLOWER not faster.
>
>
>>- It is getting easier and easier to justify using 32 bit parts (like
>> ARM) in new designs.
>
>
> YEs for some but there is a LONG way to go (if at all) before it will
> over take the 8 bit market.
>
>
>>I would expect the architecture of these parts
>> to more closely match gcc's abilities than, say, the 8051 where Keil
>> have been the leader.
>
>
> Yes Gcc can not hope to compete in the 8 and most 16 bit markets.
>

And your relevant point would be?

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