Re: What micros do you actually hate to work with?

Frank Bemelman wrote:
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schreef in bericht news:IlVWg.21517$Ij.7449@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Generally speaking, asm is dead. Generally, using C will produce
better code in less time. Generally, with less than tiny asm
projects, a C version will give you a smaller footprint.
Generally, using asm is a waste of time and energy and
produces lower quality code.


Not dead at all. There are cases where you must be sure to control something in x machine cycles plus/minus zero. But that would be more like using the uC as a logic chip.


Generally speaking, my dear. I know about cases where a 74HCT74
beats every processor no matter how clever you program it.

Hey, I shouted *years* ago on this newsgroup "asm is dead". Seems
there is a little bit more concensus now.

Now I could start shouting about C is dead, use C++ instead,
but I think that is too much for today.

I wouldn't call ASM dead - Walter's example shows that it has got
more accessible : another usefull choice, as well as InLine ASM ...

All uC HLL users certainly should KNOW assembler.

Perhaps if you meant 'Vendor assembler mnemonics', and
Label: JMP Label,
then yes, that subset of assembler is being used less.

-jg

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