Re: Opinions on Rowley CrossWorks for ARM

In article <454b2043$0$8724$ed2619ec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Paul Curtis <plc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes

"Chris Hills" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I would conjecture you advocate Keil and IAR only because you are a
reseller
of those products. :-)
Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd.
And I can suggest you only advocate Gcc because you sell that?


There is a big difference here. You have been dismissing gcc out of hand,
without giving any reasoning or evidence, or indication that you have even
tried it, and without directly stating your commercial bias (I know people
can follow the links in your sig.).

I have been programming for nearly 30 years. I have only been in the
distribution business a few years. I have used many compilers in anger.

Your point? I used to be a Cub Scout.

You are assuming that because we both sell compilers I have some sort of commercial bias but you don't?

Paul has been advocating the compiler his company makes and sells, and
saying why gcc is a suitable choice in industry.

Fair enough. However there is a tendency for GCC advocates to
automatically dismiss any criticism of Gcc that comes from anyone who is
involved in anyway with any commercial compiler. Though they don't accept
the argument in reverse.

Again, this is supposition without knowledge.

No. It is stating my experience.

You're defending your
position by attacking other targets and by using your broad brush on us.
Shameful.

Not at all..


. I don't like to see toolchains dismissed because their website looks
too cheerful,

I have made no comment on the Rowley web site (people in glass houses etc
:-) Rowley are compiler developers not web designers. However the
comments made re the Rowley web site I think were meant as constructive
criticism from some one who wanted to recommend Rowley to his management.
.

There were no comments made about the Rowley website, which I think is quite
nice.

Yes I Agree.

Again, you have just lost the plot, why not try reviewing what was
said rather than shooting from the hip? Distinguishing Richard from Paul is
a good start, along with our respective buisnesses.

No I was commenting on....
. I don't like to see toolchains dismissed because their website looks
too cheerful,

However it appears the comments were on the Image craft web site not yours. My mistake.

, and anyway professionals can afford to pay lots. The only positive
thing you've said about them is that they are popular (which is
significant, but not decisive).

I could go on about passing the industry standard test suits

A whistle won't get you anywhere in this office. I don't dress in Industry
Standard Test Suits. When I write code I do it in jeans and a T-shirt.

What was your comment about not answering the questions and changing the subject?

etc but then it degenerates in the fact that the industry standard test
suits cost money...

So, if the industry standard compilers pass with good dress sense, what does
this mean--GCC is grunge and wears a hoodie? Haute couture in the software
industry is a new one on me, I must say, I 'd better start paying more
attention to Vogue and Cosmo.

What was your comment about not answering the questions and changing the subject?

and that there is a gcc test suite (which is unregulated) There is no
level playing field for a discussion and you can't argue with religion.

You can't argue with an BSI or ISO test certificate, no. Can you point me
to such a certificate for the compilers you advocate? One of them?

You can start with the Plum Hall and Perennial test suites?

Off line I should be interested in a serious discussion on compiler testing.

Regards
Chris
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