Re: Relational model versus object model

From: Olivier Bertoe (olivier.with.clothes_at_colimacon.net)
Date: 02/26/04 

Date: 26 Feb 2004 14:54:58 GMT

dixit Alfredo:

> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:27:59 GMT, "Donald Roby" <droby@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>> You are missing the point. We can use functions and loops in DBMSs
>>> although they are not 'relational'.
>>
>>So your point is not that everything should be in the relational model
>>but that everything should be in the database?
>
> Only everything related to data management. And it is not my point, it
> is a very basic principle. Shomething you should learn in the first
> week of any data management course.

Which, i concur, is not at all uncommon. Therein lies a substantial
part of the problem. To the data management-trained (an ubiquitous
breed), "Data management" quickly becomes a fuzzy hodgepodge that
effectively engulfs most of computing. When the only tool you have
is a hammer, etc. As a result, many are genuinely convinced that is
sensible to piggyback as much of their IT needs as can be on their
DBMSes. Mindboggling consultancy and licensing fees await them.

>
>
> Regards
> Alfredo

Cheers,

Olivier Bertoe

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