Re: Second Dimension of Object Oriented Modelling

From: JXStern (JXSternChangeX2R_at_gte.net)
Date: 03/19/04 

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:43:30 GMT

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:07:45 -0500, "Universe"
<universe@tAkEcovadOuT.net> wrote:
>TESTS, as part, an aspect of the overall - "gasp", XP'ers please avert
>eyes -
>*whole* process of coding.

Jason,

What Uni says. Everything you've said is about coding. This is all
XP is about, and all that it contributes to the art and science of
methodology. Now, before any XP'r denies this, you have to understand
that IT IS A GOOD THING. It is a fascinating and potentially crucial
idea that coding first, last, and always might be the key to software
development. The idea needs to be evaluated, studied, and understood.

Yeah, even from the beginning XP had some other stuff, but (outside of
pair programming) nothing that others haven't said and done for
decades. And, 99% of it conflicts with the basic idea of code, code,
code, so frankly I can't even take it seriously as anything but
defensive constructions around the major idea.

I only speechify here because the thread is cross-posted into the XP
newsgroup, which I have generally avoided since playing around there
several years ago and never having a discussion there I found
reasonable.

Finally, this whole rant is almost on-topic to the original thread,
which had a guy working in an environment in which his management
imagined code to have magic properties of similarity with real-world
objects. A common-enougn misconception. XP doesn't really commit one
to or against this, that I can see, but it seems to present related
questions.

J.

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