Re: Bye bye XP hello fixed price. Challenging question.

"Phlip" <phlip_cpp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Lurker wrote:
>
> > > Robert C. Martin wrote:
>
> > > >I agree that time and materials shifts the risk to the customer.
> > > >Fixed-price on the other hand, shifts the risk to the developer.
> > > >There are a number of ways to balance the risk.
> >
> > Sorry, it's not a matter of risk even. Once you agree
> > to the 'time and materials" sort of thing you are simply
> > asking developers for more time to be spent on the project.
> > (The more the better from the programmer's point of view).
>
> Do you see where he said "there are a number of ways to balance the risk"?
>
> In another thread he suggested a bonus per feature delivery. I would
rather
> work shorter time and get bonussed than longer time to get paid.

Now you seem to be arguing my point. Yes I would prefer that too.
So let's say I agree to do a bug fix:

Option 1: I charge a fixed sum for that. Assuming I can do it at all
it is in my direct interest to do it as fast and quickly as possible and
move on to the next job.

Option 2: I'm getting my pay-check based on the hours spent. Then
it is in my direct interest to drag my heals and be as slow as I possibly
can.

Don't you agree?

> > As a simple example - my local garage *has* to call me
> > if, during routine checks, they discover something that
> > needs to be done - and they can't just go ahead and do
> > that without my prior agreement and without quoting a *fixed*
> > price for that. I don't care how much time they spend doing
> > that as long as I can pick up my car at a pre-defined time
> > (5pm say?). If they think that can't be done in that time - fine,
> > let's talk about the time when it can and how much it will
> > cost. But I won't discuss with them how much they get
> > per hour ...
>
> Auto maintenance is a commodity and can't work on a "bonus for early
> completion" deal. Different balances (including sticky legal ones) apply.

Not sure what you mean by "sticky legal ones" but yes,
car maintanance can and does work on a [perhaps negative]
bonus system. You've never moved to another garage 'cause
you didn't like the service in the last one (including the timing)?


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