Re: [OT] Philosophical discussion

From: Roger Johansson (no-email_at_home.se)
Date: 11/11/03 

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:11:28 +0100

Corey Murtagh <emonk@slingshot.co.nz.no.uce> wrote:

>Have you ever raised a child? Have you every been around children even?
> They are nasty, selfish, amoral little monsters. We spend years
>training them to be nice to others, to share their toys, not to *** on
>the carpet and so on. Without that societal conditioning, or if that
>conditioning is improperly imprinted, they do not grow up to be nice
>people. They grow up to be nasty, selfish, amoral BIG monsters.

Only if they grow up in the presence of grown-ups who harbor a lot of
violence in their minds.
Even if the grown-ups have learned to control all that violence, if
the violence is hidden, it still reflects on the children.

So it is the grown-ups mental violence which shows up in the child,
and then the violent grown-up punishes the child for the violence
which the grown-up forced on the child.

>You see, the human 'spirit' is not some bright shining wonderful thing,
>it's a horrible cesspool of roiling ***.

Only in your world. People, and children, become ugly and angry around
people like you. And then you discipline them for not having learned
to control all that anger, which you spent a lifetime learning to
control.

>And while this is true - and there is no indication whatsoever that this
>is ever going to change - Humans will never be capable of producing the
>kind of Utopia you so long for. Period.

You have a very negative view of the human nature and the world.

>End of fucking discussion.

And a foul language. 

-- 
Roger J. 
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