Re: Programmer's unpaid overtime.

From: goose (ruse_at_webmail.co.za)
Date: 12/02/03 

Date: 2 Dec 2003 09:22:52 -0800

spinoza1111@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges) wrote in message news:<f5dda427.0312012006.2b0a5015@posting.google.com>...
> ruse@webmail.co.za (goose) wrote in message news:<ff82ae1b.0312010407.348a1e0c@posting.google.com>...
> > spinoza1111@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges) wrote in message news:<f5dda427.0311281902.1d683965@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > >
> > > This is a lie. You've discussed the C language in this ng as the C
> > > language
> >
> > what else would you refer to "the C language" as ?
> > meatballs ?
> >
> > > and you've promoted your outdated use of it.
> >
> > there is no outdated use of it. you cannot possibly
> > live in todays world without using a C application
> > a couple of times a day.
>
> ...or being subjected to bugs which are the result of clowns using
> C...

what about all the bugs I am subjected to which are the result
of idiots using VB, or java, or even C# ?
does that mean that all those languages are outdated ?

<snipped>

>
> But part of what I have referred to as the toxic smog, which renders
> this NG useless for its intended purpose, is the constant ignorant
> striving to pose as one-up.

on the contrary, I think that if you refer to google groups, you
will find most of us giving the rest of us lots of help, in
whichever language the help is required in. RH specialises in C
(so do I, to some extent, but not as experienced as the older
posters here).

>
> In the conversation in which Richard Heathfield and his buttboy

EGN, I really wish you would avoid vulgarities. kids read these
groups too, you know.

> Sonnack analyzed my code for trivial errors, which I admitted before
> they found them, my goal was in fact to show that VB with objects is
> better than C.

but this is an almost impossible dream (to show that language X is
better than language Y). Denouncing C (which you and just about
everybody else on the planet use daily) because C lets stupid
programmers write applications that crash is just as simplistic
as denouncing cars, because stupid drivers can cause cars to
crash as well.

> I'd not programmed in C in recent years, but in 1992,
> Princeton University assigned me, as a C programmer, to assist the
> real-life protagonist of A Beautiful Mind, to assist Nash with a
> difficult C problem which I found rapidly.

I dont quite parse that. did you perhaps miss out a word or too ?

> I've also written thousands
> of lines in C including one compiler for a commercial client. I was
> rusty about C and admitted as much.

it wasn't rust that showed in the code that I saw. I attempt to
write the best code that I can, but some "mistakes" almost *never*
get through, mainly because I take care when writing.

>
> However, I have back-burnered wasting any money on suing Richard in a
> court of law, mostly because it happens to be common knowledge, owing
> to the conduct of people like Heathfield, that public access
> newsgroups are today too full of toxic smog and disinformation to be
> useless for anything but feeding trolls, whether isolated sad cases,
> or trolls, like Richard, who have a following of other trolls.

It is not a following of other trolls. It is a bunch of people
with more experience than you would imagine. they make up their
own mind, as do I, and came to the same conclusions that RH did.

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>
> You are lecturing me, you silly goose,
   
Since you know nothing about me, it may just be the case that
I *am* in a position to lecture ... consider that maybe I am
a previous superior of yuours (or even a current one).

> about something that happened
> long ago because, manipulated by Richard's authoritarian personality,

Sorry, I am manipulated by no one.

> you have joined a flame war you will lose in the eyes of History.

I am not flaming you this time round, am I ? If otoh you were to
say something inflammatory, then of course my response might in fact
be a flame.

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>
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > > If this is not of interest to programmers, pal, then what is?
> > > Deliberately using an outdated language?
> >
> > for the record, an outdated language would be something that
> > no one uses anymore. an example wuold be VB version 4, right ?
>
> Quite a lot of running applications are in VB-4 and are extended using
> an old compiler.

but very few compared to C, which must mean that VB 4 is more
outdated than C ?

> >
> > C applications are still being developed, and C applications
> > are still the most used applications in the world, primarily
> > because it isn't outdated.
>
> For the same reason folly isn't, I would suppose.

meaning ?

>
> Goose, cudgel thy brains.

no need to, they function fine as is.

<snipped>

> But owing to alienation, Richard makes the absurd claim that
> comp.programming is "about programming, not programmers". This is
> either because he's scared witless about the implications of
> alienation, or working for hire for Dr. Evil as a paid agent of the
> Dark Side.

thats just a little too off-the-wall for even the grouped
CIA-conspiracy-theorists.

Have you possibly considered that maybe your opinions are
misguided, and your logic flawed ?

goose,
   not flaming