Re: Flame Bait! Windows vs: The Unices

From: Programmer Dude (Chris_at_Sonnack.com)
Date: 01/23/04 

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:39:20 -0600

Randy Howard wrote:

>> Actually, that wide variety may be part of the problem, similar to
>> what happens when a politician with no hope of actually winning
>> sucks votes from a similar, but viable, candidate. I find the
>> consistancy of Windows (compared to UNIX) one of its strong points.
>
> True. But, in effect, Windows only runs on one platform,...

With a *huge* number of seats!

> ...and primarily for desktop users...

A very big market that includes home as well as business users.

> ...and a few toy server applications. Yes, I said MS servers are
> used for toy applications. Sue me.

Nah, I just know your opinion is factually incorrect. (-:

> UNIX runs on a very wide variety of, typically, high end hardware.
> Let me know when MS runs on those. Again, it's for a different
> market. Look at MS candidates desktops in universities. The pure
> functionality available to people for doing real work on a UNIX or
> Linux system is stunning compared to Windows without substantial
> enhancements (I.e cygwin, etc.).

Yeah. Funny how the world hasn't beaten a path to it. (-:

>> Okay,... got it: http://cscope.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Curses??? Character-graphics? Pardon me, but [snicker]!
>
> I did say that it runs on a ssh or terminal session. Excuse
> me, but if you meant to find an IDE that did global search and
> replace among a large set of source files, there are a $%^!load
> of them, for a wide variety of platforms.

Such as?

> You were describing using grep and more/less.

Describing the *difference* between using grep in unix and using it
in Windows. A key part of that was the "activeness" of the result
data (double-click on any matched line to edit that line). Also,
how color and fonts made data presentation much better.

> cscope is a massive improvement over that.

Not by my standards. Not as a replacement for WinGrep.

> Stick with at least a consistent need from one flame to the next.
> :-)

I believe I have. You might have misunderstood the point of what
I was saying. Hopefully we're on the same page now.

>> I see there's a Cbrowser product associated with it that says it's
>> a GUI front end (done in Tcl/Tk), but it doesn't appear finished.
>> Sounds like I'd need all sorts of extra goodies just to make it
>> work.
>
> Or, just use an IDE and move on.

Well, that misses the point, though. grep is useful outside of
source code files, and so is WinGrep. I don't NEED an IDE to do
that sort of thing, I just need a really good grep. That, in a
GUI environment, the results are (a) scrollable, (b) savable
AFTER (rather than remember to tee(1) them), (c) color coded to
highlight found pattern and filename, (d) "active" (meaning I
can click on the filename or result text to edit), is (to me)
a **huge** win for productivity.

> I've yet to find anything programming related that requires a
> mouse to accomplish.

You must not do any graphics work. (-: Designing a GUI UI is
much, much easier with drag'n'drop. 

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