Re: Flame Bait! Windows vs: The Unices

From: Willem (willem_at_stack.nl)
Date: 01/23/04 

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC)

Programmer wrote:
) Another question: does Linux provide a "Linux" window manager,
) or bundle someone else's? (And, yes, I consider building a
) modular OS from multiple vendors a "con", not a "pro". :-)

'Linux' is a kernel. It doesn't even provide a bootable system, by itself,
you need a lot of other stuff for that. Could you please elaborate why you
find this modularity a "con" ?

)> Wouldn't it be better if the server admin had the option of
)> running the GUI or not?
)
) Absolutely. Better yet, use a non-GUI OS.

You seem to be stuck in the idea that GUI-ness is a feature of the
operating system.

) I agree. However, given that many computing problems ARE best in
) a graphical environment, I'd want one that provides both. I could
) no longer do my work in a non-windowing environment.

Quite. MS-Windows, however, *only* provides a graphical environment.
The non-graphical environments you may have seen at one time or another
are bad hacks at best.

)> You do not need a GUI to type make.
)
) No, but I personally "need" (for some value of "need") a GUI to
) edit files I'm going to eventually make. I LIKE multiple windows!

You don't need a GUI to have multiple windows, you know.
Tell me, do you use the mouse much when editing ? To access menus ?
To select pieces of text ?

) I'm not familiar with recent multi-platform GUI dev tools from
) a programmer's POV, but I am forced to use a mult-platform GUI
) that is top of my list for most hated software ever: Lotus Notes.
) A big part of its problems come from that multi-platform thing.

Lotus Bloats is vile.
You should really look at QT, it's quite nice.

)> Why write to WIN32, when you could be writing for multiple
)> platforms without loss of functionality?
)
) Because, IME, you end up with the worst of all worlds.

You mean the least common denominator. Not the same.

) I did say "highly" portable. Are you going to tell me that UNIX
) users using obsolete releases don't also suffer from the same issues?

That's usually only true for commercial products, which stereotypically
require you to have a very specific version of Solaris. This is usually
because the programmers use undocumented internal calls, make assumptions
about the setup of the boot manager, and whatnot.

) I KNOW that's the case, since it was a major issue for us in trying
) to support a certain CAD vendor's (UNIX) product. We were forced
) several times to upgrade to the latest UNIX version.

A single swallow doesn't make it spring.

SaSW, Willem 

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