Re: PLEASE READ (was Re: recursive proofs)

From: Randy Howard (randy.howard_at_FOOmegapathdslBAR.net)
Date: 02/01/04 

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 01:24:00 -0600

In article <f5dda427.0401312014.a010804@posting.google.com>, spinoza1111
@yahoo.com says...
>
> > Which I later recanted on after you started waxing longwinded again.
>
> As to being "longwinded": I am always amused by this charge,

I assure you it is not amusing to be reading your text and trying to
pretend otherwise.

> Nobody, for example, characterizes an unsnipped embedded post as
> "longwinded".

I do. It has been requested of you many times to snip text to which
you do not refer directly in your replies. You refuse (or are
incapable of doing so).

> The charge is made against any post of high connectivity that
> introduces many ideas, in a syntactical pattern not immediately
> obvious to thugs and fools.

Whatever lie you need to tell yourself, your verbosity is rambling
by any generally accepted definition of the term. Pretending it is
the mark of your intelligence (pseudo- of course) is just more
egotism and unjustified arrogance.

> But it is an incompetent English teacher's mistake to characterize
> this as long-winded verbosity.

I think you just cut to the chase and call it bull$%^& and move on.

> The question is whether programming needs general culture to create
> effective systems in the large.

That may be your question, but it doesn't seem to be important to
anyone else here. Perhaps you should fish with it in another
forum where your odds might be better.

> I won't mention you or your address in any published work
> beyond these usenet posts. I will be unavoidably and with compassion
> thinking of your isolation and rage.

I wish I was isolated sometimes, as it gets a bit noisy from time
to time in a busy household, but it never makes me angry. Perhaps
it makes you feel less isolated and angry to imagine others in
a similar condition to yourself. If that works for you, be my
guest.
 
> > Strange, you seem to have the opposite opinion of others that post
> > about you to Usenet.
>
> It's not a symmetrical situation. I made a constructive, on-topic and
> popular contribution to comp.programming in December 2000 in the form
> of a book review.

If that's the case, it must have been your last. I can't recall any
since I started reading your posts.

> Chris Sonnack then asked me to post code in May 2002
> which I did in order to show that in C, you have to waste time in
> constructing rather fragile UDTs to solve real problems.

My guess is you failed, since coding in C to solve problems is provably
not difficult.

> Chris then initiated a Fascist campaign in which he used the structure

There you go again with your Fascism thing.

> of the medium of to amplify one error, corrected the evening it was
> made, and "errors" consisting in the fact that I'm a literate C
> programmer and for this reason use longer identifiers, Hungarian
> notation, and am reluctant to create excess temporary variables...when
> the loop length is pragmatically bounded.

Yes, yes, we've heard it before. Suffice it to say the general
response is overwhelming disagreement with all of the above.

> Throughout its history, usenet has always belied its reputation for
> "freedom" since throughout its history, so much space has been wasted
> by these invitations to get lost,

You are now a Usenet historian? Why do I not believe your authoritative?

> Throughout its history, usenet has been a place where white males can
> regain their shaky self-esteem by claiming that they support "freedom"
> which is the freedom to be like everybody else.

How do you know who is white, black, brown, purple, orange, etc. on
Usenet?

> > The "Usenet elite" of your imagination are nothing more than those
> > that are able to coherently explain their position(s) on topics.
>
> Strange. Richard Heathfield has never coherently defended his
> interpretation of the ng charter.

You failure to interpret text may be problematic.

> > Conversely the "subordinate people" are those that make demonstrably
> > false claims, or simply are incapable of compellingly make their
> > points such that others agree with them. In effect, the "elite" or
> > "subordinate" status of such participants is due solely to their
> > own effectiveness or failure in achieving such goals.
>
> Let's blame the victim, shall we?

There are no victims when you have an equal right to post as anyone
else. You failure to convince others rests nowhere but on your own
shoulders.
 
> > If you were not incapable of explaining your positions such that
> > others would agree with you more often than not, you would not
> > feel put upon by the "elite" of which you desire to be a member.
>
> The "others" of whom you speak are a set with cardinality so small as
> to be meaningless: for paradoxically, the very size of cyberspace
> means that your attention narrows only to a repeated working set of
> n<10 posters: Richard Heathfield, Chris Sonnack, yourself, and about
> seven others.

Then why are you so upset about something you define to be meaningless?
Either it is, or it is not. Make up your mind. All of them.
 
> For three years, Richard has posted the same false claim: that this ng
> is for the discussion of abstract algorithms and may not discuss
> programmERS.

I think he draws the line at sociology, corporate rants and random
synaptic firings. I know I do.

> He does so in such a dreary, mechanistic fashion that I
> have speculated that he's being paid by a corporation or government
> agency as an anti-union agent, since the effect of his attacks is to
> destroy solidarity.

Yes, I have heard your ridiculous claims. If it is as meaningless as
you say, why should a union bother with it? You are an exercise
in self-contradiction.
 
> You are confused, and were meant to be confused, by this volume over a
> period of time but any time slice confronts you with the same set of
> people, consisting of again n<10 clowns and Mr. GsWork who is no EGN
> admirer but instead an honest straight shooter.

It's far more than 10, as I pointed out to you in a recent email. don't
underestimate the number simply because you reside in so many killfiles.

> To re-present this as a vote is again reminiscent of Fascist
> parliamentary praxis.

How long will praxis be your "word of the week"? Is it possible for you
to post without using it?

> Furthermore, check out my (moderated!) Amazon posts. We see a
> consistent pattern. An actual majority, of people who supposedly have
> read the post, vote my Amazon reviews down in answer to the question,
> were they useful to you.

I find this to be expected, and it reaffirms my faith in basic
human intelligence.

> For example, Richard Posner is a legal theorist whose pomposity sugar
> coats his right-wing garbage, and I am concerned with deflating him
> everytime I read one of his books.

Boy, do I know the feeling.

> In a real sense, I am not addressing you nor do I care much if you
> agree with me. You seem so full of hatred that I am more concerned for
> your sanity and the physical safety of those near you, and I advise
> you to join an anger management group.

I advise you to look in the mirror sometime when you start projecting.
I am usually laughing while participating in these verbosity clinics
you keep offering up. If you get angry at them, I consider that an
undocumented feature. 

-- 
Randy Howard                
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