Re: [OT] Forms and ideals

From: Programmer Dude (Chris_at_Sonnack.com)
Date: 06/08/04 

Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:23:03 -0500

Edward G. Nilges writes:

>>> Western philosophy [...] is based on the unexamined assumption
>>> that "the ideal" can exist standalone and not instantiated in
>>> what you call "form" and what is substance.
>>
>> That sentence doesn't parse. Re-transmit.
>
> ...the irrationality of an independent, standalone form, [...]
> makes it difficult to challenge.

Nice try, but just smoke. The original statement is incorrect
in several regards: Western philo is based on MANY, MANY things,
some examined endlessly, others less so, and some perhaps not
at all. In particular with regard to "the ideal", this has been
examined since before Plato and in many contexts. Further, in
direct regard to Plato, the ideal *must* stand alone. Any
instance *must* be imperfect.

So, as you see, your reply was just more random synapse firing.

> To return to programming, modern praxis is the split between
> form and substance whereas the attraction of the early days was
> the lack of said split.

Your imagination runs rampant. The split dates back to pre-Plato.
That's, like, sort of the point of this whole discussion.

>> Programming would not exist without a distinction between the
>> perfect ideal and the "real world"? How do you figure?
>
> [...bzzt bzzt click whrr...]

No viable answer to that one, either, eh?

> [...bzzt bzzt click whrr fnich fnick bzzt click bbbbbb...]

You really ought to get that fixed. 

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