Re: Interesting article by Joel Spolsky: The Perils of JavaSchools

In article <1137374276.418483.320010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, wookiz@xxxxxxxxxxx says...
>
> Mike wrote:
> > In article <1137367789.688188.245180@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, wookiz@xxxxxxxxxxx says...
> > >
> > > Mike wrote:
> > > > In article <1137191575.500664.75890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, wookiz@xxxxxxxxxxx says...
> > > > >
> > > > > Willem wrote:
> > > > > > wooks wrote:
> > > > > > ) I said I would be happy to call it a bag if it would stop you coming
> > > > > > ) here with lame arguments.
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > ) It's a list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's your word against that of several dictionaries, including
> > > > > > some mathematical ones. Furthermore, I prefer arguments that are
> > > > > > called lame above the absence of any arguments.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just for the hell of it (because I don't need a dictionary for words
> > > > > like this) these are the definitions I came across in the 2
> > > > > dictionaries I regularly use. Unordered lists are not inconsistent with
> > > > > either (although we know they are not called sets).
> > > > >
> > > > > www.m-w.com
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 a : a simple series of words or numerals (as the names of persons or
> > > > > objects) <a guest list> b : an official roster : ROLL
> > > >
> > > > ...and if you look a little further using the same dictionary you may note that the first definition of 'series' is:
> > > > "a number of things or events of the same class coming one after another in spatial or temporal succession", which
> > > > clearly suggests an order.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > >
> > > When you write down a to do list does it mean you are going to do those
> > > things in the order you wrote them down.
> >
> > Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But the list is written down in a discernable order.
> > >
> > > When you write down a grocery list is that the order in which you are
> > > going to do your shopping.
> >
> > Usually yes. For example, I put the fruit and vegetables first, then the dairy section, meat, wine and beer, with dry
> > goods and cleaning products at the end, 'cos that is the goods are arrayed in our local supermarket.
> > >
> > > Have you ever been handed a list of things by your boss and asked
> > > whether they were meant to be done in order.
> >
> > I have. Of course if my boss handed me a hat filled with several slips of paper, upon each of which was a 'thing to
> > do', I wouldn't need to ask the question as there would be no inherent order in the bunch of instructions.
> > >
> > > Or if you are a boss has anyone ever asked you the same in that
> > > situation.
> > >
> > Yes - maybe I will try the hat approach and see what happens some time.
> >
> > My point is not that the order of a list is necessarily relevant, but that if a thing is called a list then, by
> > default, it has an order.
> >
> > Mike.
>
> If you've got to invent a boss who delegates from slips of paper in a
> hat and an imaginary world where you never ever shop anywhere but the
> local supermarket to preserve your point, then you haven't really got
> one.

My point is the final sentence before my sig in the above post. I am sure that the majority of people can recognise,
understand, and appreciate that. If you are unable to recognise, understand or appreciate my point then I probably
can't help you to understand the source of your errors. If, on the other hand, you are simply trying to 'win' an
arguement by obfuscation, I needn't bother to try.

Mike.
.

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