Re: Brian Kernighan, maybe I'm not worthy, maybe I'm scum

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:58:14 -0600, spinoza1111 wrote
(in article
<504724d9-caf0-4d52-a7c6-b8a4efb3244d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

On Jan 1, 5:40 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
spinoza1111 said:

You have no competence in mentoring because you have, as far as I can
tell, no compassion for people and you do not recognize their
humanity.

I find this a strange comment, because anyone with the time on their
hands can easily search clc archives for hundreds, if not thousands of
posts where someone who is obviously new to C will ask a question about
how to do something in the language. A lot of "regulars" will blow it
off, or make fun of the question, but Richard will quite often take the
time of his own to sit down, answer all of the original poster's
questions in detail. More often than not, he will also write a program
from scratch dealing with the question at hand, including things that
not only explain the material, but add subtle things above the original
question to help that person learn the original material, plus what is
likely the next logical hurdle that will come up. Every time I see
that, I am impressed that he takes that much time out to do it, and
that he explains the material so well.

In my experience the "behavior" you complain about only happens when
posters insist upon maintaining positions that are insupportable, most
often when they say a particular language does or does not do
something, and they are clearly wrong, and he can prove it.

I'm not saying he is the best "mentor" or "teacher" in the world, but
he is better than almost everyone that I have seen that claims to be
one.

A teacher of programming has typically a laptop and a
projector and can at any time work as a team with his student to
confirm technical questions. But no laptop can save a would-be mentor
who consistently hounds, harasses and bullies people, because that
person will alienate his students.

Here we have this bullying allegation again. Wait, it gets better...

Howard is hiding his score.

That is a lie. His posting of his score arrived on my newsfeed within 42
minutes of your original "challenge".

However, when I asked in what should be a dialog for the score, not
seeing it in a huge thread, he did the equivalent of turning aside
with a smirk.

No, I didn't. I told you that the article had been posted. Since it
was the first response to the thread (on my news feed anyway, I am
aware that this is not sync'd across the globe and others may have seen
it in a different order), I was surprised that you had not seen it. In
fact, I had suspected rather that you had intentionally ignored it for
some reason. You still may have, if only to try and provoke this
situation, but I don't give you that much credit for pre-planned noise
generation.

I saw no reason to repost the article at that time, because it was
likely just not arrived on your end at the time, or you had simply not
read it yet from your incoming newsfeed. After it became clear that
you had never read the original, or would never admit to it, I reposted
the body of it again.

Herb Schildt was trashed here circa 2000 because as a teacher he
presented C issues in a safe order. I was trashed here in 2003 for the
same reasons.

You demonstrated much the same incompetence as Schildt, whose reputation
for not knowing C is richly deserved.

In your dreams, pal. You conducted a bullying campaign against Schildt
using this newsgroup,

In case you are unaware of this Nilges, there are probably dozens or
more of web sites that explicitly and at great length list of titles
written by Schildt which have major technical problems, what those
problems are, and an analysis of exactly why they are wrong. Since
many of these same errors are present in more than one of his books, it
seems extremely unlikely that they are simply errata. His book on a
version of the C language standard, which his writing butchers quite
frankly, is probably the most notorious.

Schildt's writings have also been discussed ad nauseum on various
newsgroups, irc programmer channels, and in web forums for ages, along
with concrete specific references and corrections or explanations of
those errors.

The issue is not bullying Schildt, since he hasn't participated in any
of these discussions even as far as I know. He may have at one time,
but if so, I haven't seen it. It's a matter of correcting the massive
volume of his writing, which teaches incorrect habits that many of us
have had to unwind from programmers and code influenced by his writing.
Despite your efforts, as I write, Schildt's sales ranking is as I
write far above yours: his is 177,461 and yours is 682,962.

And J. R. R. Tolkien's is greater than you both. Apparently technical
accuracy has nothing to do with Amazon book rankings.

GET OUT OF MY THREAD, ***.

Filthy, lying, rotten, bully.

Ahh, there you have, the kind of prose which is <sarcasm> not bullying
</sarcasm> for you to contrast with that which he claims is. First he
accuses people in "his thread" of things, then when they attempt to
correct his confusion, he curses at them and tell them to get out of
it. Decide for yourself which type of discourse you think is credible.
I don't claim to understand ISO/IEC 14882:1998 perfectly. I do, however,
take the trouble to try to understand it.

No, you use it like an ape with a club to create confusion and destroy
human knowledge.

Filthy, lying, rotten, bully.

No, I use it to inform others.

Where have you informed others? You are the new Ministry of
Disinformation.

Filthy, lying, rotten, bully.

Perhaps if it is repeated often enough, he thinks people will start to
believe it?

The leading bully is hiding his score
as he hid his "evidence" of my "incompetence".

Right - and just as he didn't hide his score, but posted it in plain view
for all to see, so he didn't hide any evidence of your incompetence. It's
in the archives for anyone who cares enough to go and look.

Get out of this thread. You claimed to score 80% and you only answered
five of your favorite questions. You are a liar and a cheat.

How do you answer 5 out of 50 questions and get a 80% nilges? Answer
that question, or are you trying to "hide" something? You are either
even worse at math than you are at programming, which is possible, or
you are deliberately playing stupid to generate more noise in this
newsgroup. Pick one.


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Randy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR)
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those
who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw





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