Re: working conditional machine
- From: mcjason@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
On Jul 20, 1:07 am, mcja...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Anyone familiar with the idea of trying to describe a machine the way
it works?
like where it's being a machine working the way of having a loop with
the problem of being in
the middle and then to the outside as how the machine can move? so
like if you were to make it a machine
that does math the way it works it has machine parts that actually
move like the way the calculation is done?
so it moves like if this were to try and move as a real machine:
for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
if (i == 3) next;
};
so as a real machine though, that works the way that would have to as
a machine? a machine that can't be anything really working like gears
because of how to be in the middle of the loop is to go outside but
sometimes not is a problem the way something has to move.
so if that's to look like a real machine, it's not a machine that
turns around and around mechanically though, because in the middle is
back to the beginning. but sometimes through and back around. But it
actually has to move like a real machine though.
I think I know a way there is to describe a machine that works this
way...
say on a checkers board you have checker pieces, and say each checker
piece is paired with another.
now all checker pieces are pairs.
the way said, try to make one piece able to move... but you have to
move the other it's a pair with at the same time.
the board is full, there's no free spaces to move to.
so to make a piece move with it's paired piece, find where it can go
where there's another pair that can move, that pair can move where
another pair can move, and so on... where the last pair to move goes
where the first pair left.
each time you move a pair, they are not the same pair anymore once
they've moved, each of the pair is now a pair with the piece that
left
where they went to make a new pair of them. this is key in figuring
out the only way it can work so a piece can move at all.
so knowing no first move you can make because there isn't any
specific
move to know, find the pair to be able to move the way where they
move
to another pair where each of the pair is now another pair with the
one they move to, they move to a pair that's together. now first pair
to move to another pair, is now not the same pair, but each a pair
with each of the other pair.
so move and do that, but at the same time when you get a piece of the
first pair where it goes and the other pair moved, as a new pair now
it can't stay there because it has to move again because of how at
the
same time something is making the other of the pair move. right?
maybe
that part is hard to see. It's the only way to figure it can move in
any way at all.
so it's like the last move has to be known before the first move can
be made, because the first move that can be made is where something
can move next, but what can move next is what carries on to the last
move that can move where the first pair moved from. it's a recursive
type of problem to figure out how to move a pair.
where a pair can move is where it goes to another pair that at the
same time is moving away making an occupancy, but when you get there
and you're a new pair with the piece that moves from where you get
to,
it's not to think staying can work because now something needs the
pair you are now to move.
it's like so where you can never have it so you stop moving until all
the move is complete. but nowhere in the middle, or at first or last,
can you know how to make it work to move because the beginning is
like
knowing the end of how to move.
what's interesting though is how pairs that figure themselves to be
able to move are not all the pairs but some, but that some other
pairs
that figure out a way to move are the same pairs as others that
figure
out another way.
and each time a pair makes a move it's all the way to where the place
they leave has something come, but that had to be before you can move
in the first place in idea of the problem it is because that's where
something can move to finally get around to the last move where you
leave, but leave where you can because you find what comes where you
leave at first. each time a pair is moved depending on how moving
pairs are said together is to reorganize how pairs are together, but
to keep moving the same pairs is to find the same place they were in
to begin with but alot of other ways too depending on which of the
pairs together you try to move, if you say the pairs together are the
pairs that given one pair are the ones that move at the same time
too.
isn't it fair to call how they behave any machine?
there's a few things you can say like given how they're arranged pick
a few pairs for how they're organized and see how every way you can
move them makes a few more pairs reorganized for how you move them?
it's like pairs can setup in any way where for any way they are
organized is for any way other pairs are organized.
it's like saying for every combination of a number, there's another
combination but not linear association.
so don't they describe any machine there can be ? like don't they
describe working with a behavior that can be how any possible machine
works?
you can see how it looks like a machine when you take a pair and
figure how it can be moved, like say one moves, but it goes where
something else moves, and it moves where something else moves, but
then something moves to where the first one left. so say just one of
these that work around to move, but then say all that do. say all
together like the ones that move around in a way but the others that
move around in a way, you can see importantly enough for how it's a
machine that they use the same pairs starting from somewhere else to
move as how you can move somewhere else.
isn't that any machine there can be? I mean like a functional machine
to work like gears but not like gears where you have to be in the
middle of it working to be on the outside then the otherside again.
Like if you thought of code working as a real machine doing what a
'for loop' does, it has to be a machine that is in the middle of the
'for loop' to be to the beginning again, but then again through it
but
not to the beginning but through the end.
But as a machine that actually moves the way this would have to?
Don't moving pairs represent any machine there can be?
See how moving pairs rearrange each time? but the way others do will
rearrange another way if they use the same pairs? but see how to
rearrange those ones and the other ones again make difference of how?
See moving pairs that move together as part of the machine where for a
condition one way is for a condition another way like they say
together a condition that matters together. Like if part of the
machine is one way then another part of the machine is another way,
together matters like to change one part is to change the other part.
But then pairs that move together another way are another part like
they use the same pairs, because it's a part of the machine together
with another part. But see how they're eachother? like when one part
together moves, other part together has to move another way now?
See them though the way you put together pairs that move with others
that can move the way they can move, like one moves the other to move
the other. but then others that do that do that to another that works
it's own way. see it though the way it's a machine that can work like
a machine can for what it is to work that way, because it's to see
what a loop has to be for example.
I find something special about how if you move a pair and look at it
as a machine again, there's something to notice.
see how it's a machine though, like for a pair that can move for
every
way it can move, is for another pair to move for every way it can
move... pairs are like that with eachother.. so it's like a machine
part that moved but now the whole machine is with part moved where
the
pair moved is it's own part of the machine and part of other parts of
the machine to say they moved too.
so see how... draw it, draw pairs like on a checkers board but say
for
each piece that it moves, like figure out how it would move if it
were
to be moved and just say that piece moves to another piece, and
another piece moves to another. say where it gets back to the
beginning... but then say all pairs like this, and then say it all
together what shows a machine that can work. but then make a pair
moved, and draw again the machine. see what happened? because part of
the machine moves for the next part to move and so on.. like for
every
part of the machine the next part is one way for every way another
part is.
see how part of the machine that moves is for the next part to only
be
able to move one way? when you say a part of a machine is a connected
condition to be able to move? a connected condition like for what
matters one way is for what matters another way... like to see a
whole
machine is to say beginning and ending together as a connected
condition, but to say a bunch inside connected to that as their own
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so see what happens when you say a part of the machine moves but the
next part of the machine moves... it puts the machine like where it's
running in the middle or something. it's true though somehow that part
of a machine moves for the next part... but that's not like running
the machine... because to be an actual machine where one part of the
machine is the way that it matters for another part of the machine to
be where it's at, it's not the part next to it in how it's a machine
that works, it's what it is as a part of the machine though you see...
it's a part that you say for the way it is matters for another part of
the machine the way it is... that's a part of the machine together
like a pair that can move. don't try to see how the machine runs like
it works because it always is to say together as one machine that
breaks if it runs because another part isn't right for how this part
was made different. see though, like a machine together this way?
moving pairs show that.
see part for part that moves? not machine running forward? because
part is for part the way a part is one way for another part to be one
way? a whole machine seems to be together this way.
see how a pair the way it moves is what is part of another part, but
it moves like it's own part but making another part moved too? then
the other part can move the way it's been moved? so see how moving
pairs work to move in a way and show how they would move, but the
others as together what moves together the way they move, and the
others overlapping with the way they move together too? see how they
move into eachother the way they move? but see alot maybe take a few
pairs to begin somewhere else? like it's being the part that works
with so many other parts to move all the other parts?
see how it makes sense anyways though that a machine has a part match
a part anyhow? to be the idea of what can work? so it's one part that
is for the next part and so on... but see what part can actually move?
it's the part that is connected in condition. like to see it as a
whole machine altogether that can in idea work, it's what is together
like for one place is for another place of the machine to be a way.
it's not like one step is the next step in working unless you break
how it's together. because in idea of a machine that can work, it's
together though the way that does look like what works right? doesn't
the whole machine together though say this way for the way it is on
one side if it was in the middle of working say for example, is the
way it is on another side way? like in the middle of working to
imagine how a machine is, is to think it's altogether a machine in one
condition, like for every place there is that the machine is at, is
for the machine to be at a place somewhere else that's right for where
it's at in another place.. because a whole machine says it's only one
way at a time. because it's somewhere and not somewhere else. so if
the machine is at a place what makes it the place to be? it's how it's
been running right? isn't that what's funny about seeing a machine be
an actual machine though? because it's like thinking of what has to be
together the way where for one thing to move is the next thing to
move, but isn't that like for one thing to move is for the rest of to
be moved before it's the machine together again? like it's broken
until one move is made final all the way through? because if you move
a part of something connected together, all the other parts have to
move right? like, if it's a machine together to move a part, the next
part moves but so do alot of parts until what? because it has to be
one part to the next moves right? so see how one part makes a move
then the next part... but that won't make the machine run right if
it's the part that seems to move like the next part for how it runs
right? because it's being a machine connected together like where it
matters in one place for another place of the machine... like if once
place of the machine is one way, then another place is another way.
see though a machine for a part it has.. the way a machine is to work
any way though. it can't be a real machine like mechanics. but it's a
machine part for part right?
so one part makes the next part move... try to see this as the machine
running though... because you can't. not when a machine connected
together makes it so how it is altogether is how the machine is right
now. so it's altogether because it can say altogether another way like
it's been running for a while. but see it run step by step like a
machine and look how it's broken about it. it won't make a move
because where you move the machine it matters somewhere else to be how
the machine is too, not next to the part of the machine to move like
it works running, but across the machine like the whole machine is one
way together if somewhere is a way too. so if the machine in once
place is moved, thinking of how it's actually a machine though where
the idea of trying to see it as altogether a machine is the way it's a
machine that moves around and starts back again, then it's in another
place needing to be moved too. to be a machine altogether one way the
machine can be.
see how a machine altogether is one way though? see how it compliments
all conditions together as right? like where the machine's position is
at near the beginning is one way for how it's positioned near the end?
like the beginning of the machine in the position it is can't be
without the ending of the machine in the position it's in? to be a
machine connected together? see on a board of pairs what pairs that
move together are.
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