Re: "Foreign" programmers' thoughts on American politics?

On Nov 9, 2:53 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
spinoza1111 said:



On Nov 9, 12:27 am, Richard Heathfield <r...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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I've been involved in several large programs that have ported just fine.
If you think C programs can't be written portably, it's because you
don't have enough experience of writing large portable C programs. Yes,
of course C programs can be written in such a way as to make portability
very difficult, just as in any other language. Nevertheless, if you want
a portable program, C is an excellent choice.

Wrong again. It's impossible by definition to write Java or managed C#
nonportably, whereas it's very possible, intentionally or
unintentionally, to write completely nonportable C. You clearly do not
understand what a virtual machine is.

You have your mind on machines, it seems.

I do not believe that you have "been involved in [what does that
mean?] several large programs that have ported just fine". I believe
that that code did NOT port, I believe it has significant bugs, and I
believe based on thirty years of having to work with incompetents such
as you, and my experience here, that when you were confronted with
evidence, you proceeded to destroy careers.

Is it because I have been involved in what does that mean several
large programs that have ported just fine you believe that that code
did not port you believe it has significant bugs and you believe based
on thirty years of having to work with incompetents such as me and
your experience there that when I was confronted with evidence me
proceeded to destroy careers that you came to me?

Wow you really can't write, can you?

Your grade on the Spark Notes test on C++, and your consistent (and
off-topic) attempts to change all discussions in comp.programming to a
destruction of someone's reputation indicate to me that you are one of
those programmers who entered the field, learned one language, and
proceeded to assume that this language was the only tool you needed.

Tell me about your grade.

It was lower than yours: but I do not make unprofessional claims to be
a world authority on C or C++. You do. I come here with specific
things to discuss, as do others, and you ruin each discussion with
personal attacks.


because the critical fact is that the user doesn't know
and cannot safely predict whether it will port.

Not so. All you have to do is know the language. If you don't know the
language, either learn it or use something else.

I believe it was Wittgenstein who most clearly said, after he'd gotten
some real-world experience as a school-teacher in Austria after
publishing his early Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, that we DO NOT
use language, correctly or incorrectly, in this way.

Does it bother you that you do not use language correctly or
incorrectly in this way?

No. And you can stop emulating Eliza. Why not admit you have nothing
to contribute?


People don't "know" natural, non-computer language: yet, Wittgenstein
showed, they use it all the time. This is because languages (natural
and computer) are "forms of life" and our success with them is our use
of them in practice...which includes creating portable and
maintainable code.

You think too much about computers.

It is impossible to do so in C without blaming your victims, from the
user victimized by a comment box limited by you to 1024 characters to
the maintenance programmer who has to figure out your stupid code in
your favorite out of date, stupid language.

Why do you say that?

You HAVE turned into a machine, running Eliza!


You are not qualified to be a programmer if you do not understand why
this is so, and why Java and .Net have replaced C.

Your opinion of who is, and who is not, qualified to be a programmer is
of vanishingly small interest to me, given my opinion of your level of
ability in that field.

You can run your mouth off-topic all you want about my credentials.
You are in fact trying to avoid saying anything that will reveal,
again, your ignorance of computer science and the general culture, an
ignorance which is, I now believe, the result of the fact that you
spend all your time attacking people on the Internet.

When did you first know that will reveal again my ignorance of
computer science and the general culture an ignorance which is you now
believe the result of the fact that me spend all my time attacking
people on the internet?

Wow...you will do anything, including making a fool of yourself, to
ruin this newsgroup.

What an ***.


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(I presume that, by "meatspace", you mean face-to-face interactions.) I
don't see how threaded discussions are relevant to face-to-face
interactions, in which discussions are normally linear rather than
threaded. Think "linked list" for face-to-face, but think "tree" for
Usenet.

Blow me, jerk face. Whether I look at this discussion as a linked list
or a tree I still have to wade through your nonsense. You are the
obnoxious drunk at this party as I'm sure you would be if you were
invited to meatspace parties.

Do you get drunk often?

Blow me, jerk face. I'm sober.


you liked it, and here
you do it compulsively because you think you can get away with it.

Your argument, such as it is, is based on false premises and a
misunderstanding of Usenet's discussion-threading mechanism.

The fact that I can avoid you, which I do most of the time, is
irrevelant and the same type of absurd "thinking" that makes you claim
that C is great.

Is the fact that you can avoid me which you do most of the time is
irrevelant and the same type of absurd thinking that makes me claim
that c is great the real reason?

I don't want to have to do anything to avoid you. I want you to get
out of here.
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My reputation with a subculture of incompetence is no worry of mine.

Nor should it be for anyone - but it is hard not to notice that when you
hit a culture not only of competence but in some cases real expertise,

ROTGLMFAO. Your knowledge is only that of a computer science
matriculate at a place like Princeton, which required students to know
C on entry to the major when I worked there. Your "expertise" is the
expertise of the fat loudmouth I knew who'd written an inferior
version of IBM's stunningly awful TSO in a third-rate university,
forced his employer to use this OS on its mainframe as a condition of
retaining him, became a millionaire by holding this company
hostage...and destroyed the company, along with the jobs of all of his
coworkers who were too ethical to hold their employer to ransom.

Are you sure that is the real reason?

Yes.

such as comp.programming, you threaten lawsuits left, right, and centre,
which suggests strongly that you care deeply about your reputation
amongst experts. And yet this is itself paradoxical, for if you really
cared, surely you wouldn't embarrass yourself so much.

I would not take you to court to restore your reputation of me. I
would do so to take your money. Your logic is as usual completely
erroneous.

Earlier you said I have been involved in what does that mean several
large programs that have ported just fine you believe that that code
did not port you believe it has significant bugs and you believe based
on thirty years of having to work with incompetents such as me and
your experience there that when I was confronted with evidence me
proceeded to destroy careers?

I think you're the drunk chap. Get out of this newsgroup.

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