Re: Raatikainen's critique of Chaitin
From: Daryl McCullough (daryl_at_atc-nycorp.com)
Date: 09/02/04
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Date: 1 Sep 2004 19:25:23 -0700
Eray Ozkural says...
>
>Torkel Franzen <torkel@sm.luth.se> wrote
>>
>> > Limit of algorithmic information content H(s) of initial segments r_n
>> > while n->infinity
>>
>> This limit need not exist.
>
>Example, please?
Here's how you can "construct" a sequence with an undefined limiting
information content:
First, some definitions: If r is an infinite sequence of bits, then
r_n is the first n bits of r. H(r_n) is the minimum number of bits
necessary to specify a Turing machine that computes r_n. Define Q(r,n)
to be the ratio H(r_n)/n. Typically, Q(r,n) will be somewhere between
0 and 1.
Okay, so pick two reals c1 and c2 such that 0 < c1 < c2 < 1. For
example, let c1 = 1/3 and let c2 = 2/3. Next pick two reals r1 and
r2 such that
(limit n->infinity Q(r1,n)) = 0
(limit n->infinity Q(r2,n)) = 1
Now, construct a third number r, as follows:
1. Copy the bits of r1 into r up until the point where Q(r,n) drops below c1.
2. Then start copying the bits of r2 into r until Q(r,n) gets above c2.
3. Then start copying the bits of r1 into r until Q(r,n) gets below c1.
4. etc.
The resulting r will look like r1 for a while, then it will start looking
like r2 (except for an initial segment), then it will start looking like
r1 again (except for an initial segment). So the ratio Q(r,n) will fluctuate
forever between c1 and c2, and will never converge to anything.
-- Daryl McCullough Ithaca, NY
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