Re: CYK & Context-Free Expressions

Rock Brentwood <markwh04@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Now ┘ on your attitude:

And, I assume by the effort you put into your posts and writings that you would like to be understood.

You're way off the mark and way the out of line with all of this and
the rest of your post.

And you need to be a little bit more sparing with the haughtiness.
Remember: you're the outsider here, not the other way around.

I apologize for any haughtiness in my post. Haughtiness usually
results from an assumption of superiority. I do not wish to claim
superiority. I'm certain that haughtiness was the result of my not
being previously aware of your work other than the postings I've seen
over the years. I suspect you publish in Journals I don't regularly
read. To the point, I wasn't aware of the RelMiCS workshop's prior to
your posting. I will accept blame for assuming incorrectly that your
work had not been published.

Moreover, this is advice that would be more appropriate for you to
take for yourself. You would cause fewer needless misunderstandings if
you'd simply try to properly communicate (as opposed to, say, talking
and thinking like an engineer or software developer whose
communication (dis)abilities are rather well known); to be less vague,
yourself; and a little more sparing with calling things "standard"
where you apparently have little or no knowledge of what actually is
or not.

I accept this criticism also. I believe I know the terminology
generally used on comp.compilers and in the sigplan publications, but
it is reaching for me to call that blanketly standard. Moreover,
perhaps there are articles even within that literature that I had
missed that use the same terminology as you. I haven't read every
article in toplas for instance.

And if you're not well-enough acquainted with the general subject to
know how one relates, say, the leftmost parse sequence of a tree with
a tree (as your last post seemed to clearly indicate), and are having
that much trouble understanding the relation and essential equvialence
between parse trees and any of its canonical linearized equivalent
representations, and having difficulty clearly understanding the
difference between recognition and transduction, then I don't think
you should be placing yourself in a position to be presuming to
speaking with authority on any of these matters, lecturing us in the
community as an outsider as if you were the inside and they on the
outside (when, in fact, it's more the other way around here).

Again, same point is taken. I'm sorry to have given the impression
that I'm an insider in your circle. Clearly I'm not.

I was merely trying to say that it is a far jump from reading the
Dragon book (or any other compiler textbook I've read) to following
your arguments. I again apologize for implying that simply being
someone who has read the dragon book (and thought that the treatment
there was fairly "standard") gave me superior knowledge. I did not
mean it that way.

....

oops. I think we just answered our question there. But going on:

* the engineer (or someone who runs an engineering company) who
remains vague in his language and confuses the issues even in his own
replies
* or the person who is more careful and precise, who receives
compliments on his or her use of language (even in technical articles)
who has studied over 30 human languages over the past 30 years and
more...
... then I think the answer is pretty obvious.

Congratulations on the compliments you have received on your precise
use of language.

You are correct. *I* have trouble understanding you, and I haven't
found anyone who has been able to explain your writings to me, nor
even until this exchange even found anyone who was interested in
attempting to understand you, which is why I was thrilled to see the
topic come up. If there is a community that understands your
writings, then perhaps I will not be in-the-dark much longer.

Finally, I apologize for using "we" in regards to people who don't use
the same terminology as you. *I* may be the only member of that group
who cares. Thus, it was unfair.

The only thing I don't apologize for is being an "engineer" or a
"software developer". That is my background. I cannot deny it. It
does not change my interest in reading your work. It may mean that I
have to take the concepts and notations more slowly. I will apologize
if that means that you see connections and models intuitively that I
don't, and in not seeing the connections or models I get confused by
what you are saying. That is my confusion. I'm just asking you to
slow down and explain things slowly enough that I can follow.

I apologize if I copped a superior attitude in posting previously.
That attitude was partially based on some wrong assumptions on my
part.

Sincerely,
-Chris

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