# Re: Basis for bypassing the Halting Problem ?

*From*: Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*Date*: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:45:57 -0600

On 2/6/2012 5:29 AM, Peter Olcott wrote:

On 2/5/2012 11:03 PM, Joshua Cranmer wrote:On 2/5/2012 9:40 PM, Peter Olcott wrote:I have not seen this in specific restriction within any of theirWhat I am proposing is to {add one element to Q and to transition to

this element} only upon recognizing an instance of what would otherwise

be the Halting Problem. The Halting Problem can no longer be formed

because the state that must be modified to create the Halting Problem

does not yet exist.

Turing machines are not self-modifying code, so you cannot tell it to

"add a state."

specifications.

If this restriction is in their specification, then it would seem to

form a lack of correspondence to actual hardware machines, thus making

them less than an ideal model of computation.

Considering that Turing machines can't model random access efficiently, nitpicking on a "limited" model because it isn't self-modifying is rather pointless.

The use of Turing machines is because they are a very simple model of computation that can emulate all known models of computation. Indeed, a self-modifying Turing machine can be emulated with a Turing machine, via use of the Recursion Theorem (which says, informally, that "get the description of this Turing machine" is a possible operation).

Now, that said, this still does not run around the Halting problem for two reasons:

1. "Detect an instance" is impossible, as proving that the languages of two Turing machines is equivalent is undecidable.

2. Ultimately, you still get into the boolean state of either you accept it or you do not. The state of "runs forever" is not desirable (indeed, the Halting problem is recognizable but not decidable). Such a program would still be "defeatable" using the standard diagonalization argument.

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