Re: Applet window warning message

From: Andrew Thompson (SeeMySites_at_www.invalid)
Date: 09/20/04 

Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:54:36 GMT

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:34:24 +0100, Javaman wrote:
> Andrew Thompson wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:20:42 +0100, Javaman wrote:
>>
>>>My boss draws my attention to http://www.alienmenus.com/
>>>Is she mistaken, or are you?
>>
>> 1) That applet has no 'alt' or 'alternate HTML'
>> specified, so it fails silently on browsers with
>> no Java, or Java disabled. A user in an internet
>
> True. Just out of interest, what is the current approximate percentage
> of hits from browsers with no or disabled Java?

(shrugs) It depends on the time of day,
the season, the applet, the site, and
who you ask, among other things..

[ Lies, damn lies and statistics. ]

Too many. Please ensure any applet pages you
write are not amongst them. Come back here
when and if you need to write Applet HTML and
I'll try to guide you, but you can usually
make a pretty good job of it if you read Sun's
docs on the applet attributes.

> ..The problem seems non-trivial to me. As the windows on
> that page load, there are little flashes in the corners of the screen
> and I think that they are stopping the message from being drawn by
> making the window half offscreen at the time.

I cannot say I observed any such thing, and since they
cannot be using Java (no permissions) and were apparently
not using JS (I visited with JS disabled and the page
seems to 'work' just as much in Moz. as it does IE -
the menus are there, they do pop-up, but do not seem
to do anything.)

Speaking of JS, the applet tags mention MAYSCRIPT, which
marks an applet suitable for scripting using JS, and that
might mean another dependency. (Not good for a navigation system).

Another interesting note is that the applets are compatible
with the MSVM, so whereas a Swing based JApplet might add
a JMenuBar and customize the JMenu, an alternate approach
would need to be taken for the AWT based Applet, as there is
no MenuBar you can attach to an Applet.

Some questions for you. Are you wanting to make a menu?
You talk a lot about Windows, but you have not specified
the content yet.

Because, that is the first part of this thread I heard
that makes some sense. Not that I am especially fond
of pop-up/out menus in web-pages, but I can see the
validity of the use.

Have actually seen this particular menu change pages?
(I suspect they are not hooking it up to actual pages
for the very resons discussed in the thread I pointed
you to. The showDocument method would be the crux of
a Java applet based around page navigation..) 

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