Re: integers and arrays inJava - how?

Rhino wrote:
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Oliver Wong wrote:
"Rhino" <no.offline.contact.please@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:6ARWf.2301$u15.402011@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Can this be done, and eXactly how?
If this is a homework assignment, I'm reasonably sure that it _can_ be done; most instructors would not waste your time and theirs asking you to do something that can't be done.
I've had one professor who asked us to do something impossible for homework. The next day, he told us it was impossible. The point of it was for us to discover for ourselves that it was impossible and thus learn something.

- Oliver
Wow, I remember those days. I use to get calices on my fingers from coding programs on code paper so the keypunch people could build your program card deck. For me, IBM mainframe 360/370. I think 390 and Z90 may still have 2540 card reader and Punch around somewhere. But once IBM pushed VM/CMS system things seem to become cardless at the shops I worked. I remember converting a shop from a card to cardless shop. Those where the days.

Sorry, I have not read this thread just Olivers last message which flooded me with old images.

You must be thinking back to the IBM 360 days; I started working full time in IT in 1982 and we were in a 370 shop; all our programs were entered via TSO and the last card reader and card deck had a departed a few years earlier. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, I worked in a service bureau in Toronto and they had card punch for a few customers that still ran very old systems. I remember them announcing that they'd finally weaned the last of those customers over to TSO (or maybe Wylbur) around 1990 and ditched the card reader. I think they said it was the last working card reader in the country. But aside from a few rare cases like the service bureau, card readers haven't seen significant use since the late 1970s.

Now, maybe in the third world things are somewhat different; for all I know they still use antiquated systems there and you may find a card reader or two if you walk into an insurance company in Cairo or Calcutta or Shanghai. But I expect you're going to have to look very hard to find a card reader in any IT shop in North America or Europe.

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Rhino




[Sorry Rhino, I mistakenly sent this response to your email address.] Here goes again..

No.. Believe it or not. The last shop (1977 to 1980) I worked at that regularly used the 2540 reader\punch was attached a IBM 370/142 then a 370/148 initially running DOS\VS VERSION 29 then DOS\VSE. If fact they booted the system using a card deck before VM was installed. Funny, one night one of the operators dropped it. I suddenly had to get to a meeting. Anyway, lucky I was in the systems programmer group and when we installed VM we used it using CMS to code our VSE systems exits and BlabBlabBlab. The application programming group had not converted over entirely. This was a fairly large US Insurance company.


The next company was card-less using the VM OS running DOS VSE.

Still, the next job hire (1984) was to convert an OS/1 to OS/2 (MVS) and convert there system exits over. It is a US company called 'ARA'. I had to install a new and separate 4361 model 2 and load VM on it. Then move there production OS/1 system on to the new VM system, over a weekend, with out affecting anything. Then Install the new MVS system on the same box to run in parallel because they where getting ride of it OS/1.

Sorry I am rambling, the images are flooding.. What I meant to say is there I was able to use ROSCOE on OS/1 before I had the new 4361 and VM OS. Not sure if TSO was around yet or they just did not use it. I think it had just came out.

So, I guess they were a card-less system. I never cared to find out what the application programmer group did. I guessed they where using ROSCOE then TSO on the new OS/2 - MVS system. They were originally running a 370/158 water cooled machine before I had to do my duty.

Boy, memory lane. I must be getting to old if these memories are come back to me in a stream form.

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