Re: Really basic data entry question [Beginner]


"Tail_Spin" <blacksheep_214@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Thomas Weidenfeller" <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Tail_Spin wrote:
I think he was looking for help not an observation on how stupid the
assignment was!

This is a discussion group, not a help desk. In particular, this is not
a do-my-homework service, and this group does not replace tutors,
professors and teachers. And, probably the most important, it is not a
replacement for engaging the own brain and reading the course textbook
and course notes.

Agreed completely!

If you weren't going to provide any help, what was the point of your
post?
other than to tell him that his terminology was incorrect, the
assignment
was dumb and useless, and finally that you weren't going to help???

Setting one straight on the terminology is indeed help. If one can't
communicate in the language of the trade he has a serious problem he
might want to work on. And since the primary job of a student is to
learn something, such a hint is a great opportunity to learn.

To learn, know, and use the terminology correctly is a great asset and you
must be able to communicate correct meanings in your post. However, I
took
exception with the attitude and presentation of Rhino's post.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, it wasn't my proudest moment either.
But I stand by the contention that it is an unrealistic assignment.

A student like you who gets annoyed when someone is presented with an
an opportunity to learn something should seriously ask if studying is
the right thing to do.

I don't recall saying anywhere that I am currently a student? Yes I was a
student of Computer Information Systems at my local university where I
worked hard enough to be on the dean's list for 3 consecutive years,

Hmm, now who's trying to impress people....

(Unfortunately because of medical reasons I was unable to continue with
school.). But that doesn't give me the right to impress upon people how
smart I am or imply how stupid their questions or projects are. I also
didn't see anywhere where AMT2K5 said he was in school, maybe he is trying
to learn Java on his own and doesn't have a clear enough understanding of
what it is he is trying to do. You know what they say about assumptions
right?

I too have been involved with computers both with hardware and programming
for about 20 years. So I'm not a total newbie but I am a relative newbie
to
java. One thing I have learned is the more you learn about computers and
programming, the more you realize you've only scratch the surface in this
whole technologically changing world. So all of us need to be wary about
trying impress people with how much we know in any area of technology,
it's
a constant learning environment.

You could stand to take some of your own advice with regards to assumptions.
I was NOT trying to impress anyone; I was simply saying that in 25 years in
IT, I had never heard of a 'data script'. This may be a common term in some
areas but it isn't in any of the areas where I have worked. I only mentioned
25 years to indicate that I was not an IT newbie that may not have heard the
term yet. Period.


SPECIAL NOTE:
Many times college and university professors hand out really dumb and
totally useless assignments. Your job as a student is to complete
those
assignments to the best of your abilities.

In my opinion, giving out dumb and totally useless assignments is almost a
total waste of time for the student who wants to learn something that will
be useful in later professional work. That's why I reacted the way I did; it
just feels wrong to cater to the kind of silliness inherent in the
assignment - assuming it WAS an assignment; it sounded like one to me.

Ye,. *YOUR* abilities, not ours. We do you students a courtesy if we
point out where their abilities are lacking. E.g. abilities in
formulating a coherent question.

True, my bad, ... I forgot you are so much smarter than the rest of us
newbies, "We do you students a courtesy". Don't tell me, ... let me
guess,
you're some college or university professor with a head-up-your-ass
attitude, probably with a masters or doctorate, and you feel your are so
much superior than all the rest of us right?

Providing comments about how
useless and stupid the assignments are doesn't help get the job done!

It is not up to you to dictate what people have to answer. You have no
right to get an answer at all. You have no right to get the answer you
want to hear. You have not even a right to get read.


If one can't stand criticisms one better not posts to a public
discussion group. If one wants to cheat on an homework assignment one
better not posts to a public discussion group, too.

Fine criticise if you feel the need, but at least provide a viable
solution,
if not then your are just spewing out trash. And as far as the cheating
goes, I agree completely. I've seen too many students that don't deserve
to
be in any kind of IT program. They think IT is the way to big $$$$ and
they
don't have a first clue what to do when it comes to writing code, can't
even
perform any kind of premitive debugging without some kind of fancy wysiwyg
IDE to help them.

So there, I've said my negative piece and only about 2 weeks after I made
a
comment on this news group about all the negativism you keep seeing on
news
groups these days. I feel ashamed to have to stoop to such a low level,
but
I also feel I have to say my piece too.

Rhino
Oh and remember --> If one can't stand criticisms one better not posts to
a
public discussion group.

/Thomas
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