Re: Java IDEs *Le sigh*

I've only used Eclipse and VS. I don't like how, when I tell VS in debug
more to "run to this line", it runs right past it and keeps going. That
wasn't very intuitive (as in easy to pick up) behaviour to me. I don't like
how when I click on a method call and say "Show me where this method is
declared", it tells me that the method isn't declared anywhere (when I know
it is). "

I was referring to how you can minimize it and have it pop up when you
put
the mouse over it.

I've only used Eclipse and VS. I don't like how, when I tell VS in debug
more to "run to this line", it runs right past it and keeps going. That
wasn't very intuitive (as in easy to pick up) behaviour to me. I don't like
how when I click on a method call and say "Show me where this method is
declared", it tells me that the method isn't declared anywhere (when I know
it is). "

I don't like how, when I want to debug an application you have to
switch to a
different perspective. Or to brose a CVS repository. Or doing other
things
for which there are dedicated perspectives in Eclipse. No, I don't
think I
should have to spend over an hour putting windows where I want them and
creating custom perspectives; when other IDEs have all these features
integrated into the main user interface. Furthermore, these IDEs are
written
in Java; so when it auto-switches things around... well... Coffee
break.

Maybe my install of VS was buggy or something, but my experience of VS
was that it was not very intuitive. I mention this not to say "You're wrong,
VS is bad, Eclipse is good", but to point out that people's experiences with
IDEs may not be universal. So when you say "Look at VS as an example of
intuitive", people might get the wrong idea."

I don't see how people may get the wrong idea. I didn't come here to
start
any flame war or arguments, and certainly aren't a supporter of those.
I'm
not the only one who thinks VS is an intuitive development environment.
Have
you tried Emacs? Or Borland's IDEs (especially when they had CUA
shortcuts).
I'm sure you've tried Eclipse, as you've stated.

On my machine (Pentium 4 1.8Ghz, 1 GB RAM), there's a noticeable delay
when switching perspectives, but it's less than 1 second. I'm guessing you
might get better performance out of Eclipse if you had more RAM."

Awesome, so I should spend $$ upgrading my RAM to use a free IDE. The
same
way people recommended I spend $$ on plug-ins to make this free IDE
useful?

Not sure if that person was me, but I mentioned "forget about J2EE for
now" because every tutorial I've seen on J2EE assumes you've already
"mastered" J2SE. Note that "writing documentation", "implementation", "code
comments" and "end-user documentations" are concepts that exist in J2SE as
well. I've never actually touched J2EE, but I write documentation, I
implement stuff, I comment my code, and I provide documentation to the end
user. I use UML too. That's not what J2EE is about. J2EE, as far as I can
tell, is about multi-tiered web services."

It really doesn't matter, because Eclipse doesn't even have these
features.
And if it does they are of marginal usefulness. I wasn't arguing what
J2EE was,
but you'll be hard pressed to find a tool directed at J2SE developers
with
features like UML diagramming, reverse engineering, et cetera.
The J2EE tools are useless, unless you do all of your development at
the code
level (or almost all of it).

How come all of these features that are developed for Eclipse that are
worth
a darn are all being sold (MyEclipseIDE, etc.). Seems a bit like a
beta-test
stepping stone than something meant to be used as is. How many
developers
do you know that are using Eclipse and only its free plug-ins, as
opposed to some
payware like MyEclipse IDE or some of the other commercial IDEs based
on it?

Don't be so defensive/offensive.


Nate

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