Re: Giving an application a window icon in a sensible way

in message <1164280351.126417.237050@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Twisted
('twisted0n3@xxxxxxxxx') wrote:

wesley.hall@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
nobody has yet mentioned anything remotely resembling a URL for it,
and it should be fairly obvious that a google search with the query
"ant" is unlikely to produce anything relevant here.

Clearly you didn't even try.

Of course I didn't. A three letter query with a different, mainstream
dictionary meaning is far too likely to fail to be worth considering.

Yes, it integrates easily with eclipse and any other serious IDE. It is
a tool for scripting your build process so, while there is a slight
overhead in writing the script (and it shouldnt be more than an hour or
two, infact, probably far less time than you have already spent arguing
the toss on this newgroup), once the script is written it will
significantly improve your build and testing cycle as you can use it to
automate your build, run your tests, generate your documentation,
create a Java webstart archive for your software, deploy it to an app
server (although this seems not to be required for your software) etc
etc.

There are a number of notes regarding the above:
1. An hour or two? I'll need some proof it can easily do something
amazing you can't easily do with Eclipse on its own before that looks
like a worthwhile investment of time.

That's easy. The advantage of an ant script is that it works identically
whether or not Eclipse is present. Eclipse is a wonderful tool but you
wouldn't use the Starship Enterprise to nip down the road to the chemists.

2. Webstart? This is a standalone app, rather than an applet, servlet,
or some kind of specialized client/server thing. Are you sure this
recommendation isn't based on a misapprehension of the nature of what
I'm doing? It's quite possible that your suggestion is well suited for
developing some kind of web app and rather less so in the case of a
standalone one...

Webstart is, as I understand it, intended specifically for standalone
desktop apps. I have to confess I've never used it... but that's because I
don't write standalone desktop apps.

3. False dichotomy. You presuppose I have a choice to *either* use this
tool *or* argue here. In fact, the choice is to argue here, or to use
the tool *and* argue here. My choice not to argue here vanished the
moment the first insult was slung. Now it is necessary to defend myself
and my choices in front of the same audience you're trying to convince
of my guilt/stupidity/whatever it is that you think.

You will also be able to set up an use a continous integration
server that will periodically check out your code (assuming you are
running a version control system like CVS and subversion... and if not,
you should be)

For a one-person project? You're joking. It would take me weeks to
learn to use such a complex tool, and then I have to operate some kind
of a server, then some kind of equally unfamiliar client ... that even
has *security* implications, since I have to make sure that the server
isn't visible to the outside world if I start running a server of some
sort.

Anyone with any degree of professionalism uses a version control tool of
some kind; it's basic. The client is built into practically every IDE
(like, for example, Eclipse), or you can (of course) script it with Ant.
You don't need to learn anything.

If you can't be bothered to run your own CVS or Subversion server,
SourceForge will be happy to run one for you.

Yes, if you're working on a one man project, you don't have to use the
team-working features of your version control tool, but when your customer
reports a bug in the build you delivered to him on 5th May, it's nice to
be able to check out the source of exactly that version to do your
debugging with. Saves shedloads of time and aggravation.

And I thought some other people here were suggesting swatting flies
with bazookas. This is closer to disinfecting a dirty toilet with a
thermonuclear bomb.

No, it's more like cleaning the toilet bowl with a brush rather than doing
it with your fingers.


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