Re: Giving an application a window icon in a sensible way

Tom Forsmo wrote:
You really dont get it!

Neither of us "gets" the other. That much is clear. We have different
goals, too. That much is clear. Mine is simply to not leave you as
having had the greater influence over the minds of our mutual audience,
at least not where your influence is being used to try to make them
hostile to me.

[snip some kind of terminologically-mangled, half-intelligible
explanation of his goals]

I don't give a *** what those goals are, but they sound frivolous and
non-Java-related, so pursue them elsewhere. Regardless, they don't
justify putting someone's character publicly into question (especially
not if they are in fact frivolous).

This is not your local office space, where undermining you could lead to
a better standing with the boss. This is the internet,

where undermining me simply is a way for you to stroke your own ego. It
just makes you a bigger *** and one with a lower IQ. At least
undermining your coworkers has some rational, material gain motivating
it. It's nasty but not necessarily stupid. Your online behavior, on the
other hand, is both.

The only thing people care about here is: are you
posting messages that are on topic and useful to others (in technical
terms)

I'm no worse than you lot on that score. And there's only the one of
me, and several of you, so...

and do you avoid being hateful, spiteful, intolerant...

Unlike you, yes. Looks like by this score I come out ahead. I do
anything other than "by the book", and even when I point out that the
"by the book" approach hadn't been communicated to me at the time, I
get jumped on by multiple people. All of those can immediately be
charged with intolerance. Posting just to hassle or annoy someone is
something you pretty much admitted to just now, and others are clearly
doing. That looks hateful and/or spiteful to me. So does generally
putting people down, getting your jollies shoving other people
facefirst into muddy puddles and the equivalent, and various other
actions that you lot seem to do and that I do not.

So the self massacre part, is the part where you insist on undoing all
comments made about you or to you, instead of just ignoring it and
letting the thread die.

If I did that, a) I have no guarantee that it *would* die. Perhaps,
emboldened by the lack of responses and sensing weakening prey, the
attackers will just press home a final assault instead. b) Even if
"playing possum" does work, the damage from their last bunch of attacks
will go unmitigated!

In further elaboration of a), there have already been false promises by
another of my attackers that they'd go away (which they didn't),
multiple times, so I don't have any reason at all to trust anyone's
claims about when or if they will shut up and leave me alone anyway.

You mean: you are not amused! the rest of us have been.... (Btw, did you
not notice the wrong use of a certain word in my statement, it was put
there for you to ignite about bad english and others to be amused.

It just looked like another doofus spelling error and/or a doofus
attempt to caricature far-eastern mangling of English to me.

Basically. Although, obviously, not because of my weight. Presumably
something innocuous but eccentric in my mannerisms set them off.

Now we are getting somewhere, but why do you think its innocuous?

Because it bloody well is! I harbor(ed) no harmful intent or ill wishes
towards anyone, and I did nothing irresponsible (foreseeably risking
someone else's harm without their consent) either (online, the only
example of such behavior I can think of at the moment is posting
someone's unmunged email address in the clear and thereby exposing them
to spam...)

Any behavior that is not intentionally harmful, nor negligent, is by
definition innocuous. It may be eccentric, but people can ignore it
with impunity (unlike, say, a knife-charge, or being exposed to spam).

[insults me]

Ah, now you show your true colors again, after a period of trying to
"reason with" (read: trick) me.

At first, I was simply "not very apologetic" because I had nothing to
*be* apologetic about. And because being apologetic would have been
tantamount to an admission of guilt, besides. Later I got rather
annoyed, as you would have if our positions had been reversed.

Yes you have, you where rude from the start.

Liar.

You should be a bit more humble

Wrong. I will behave as an equal to others and expect them to treat me
as an equal. This isn't a feudal caste-ridden society and I will not
bow and pay fealty to some tinpot would-be lord or duke. I will carry
myself with self-respect. Anyone who becomes hostile to me purely
because of this will receive my scorn or outright wrath, and never my
respect. This is the 21st century and I am in a democracy and I expect
to be treated as "equal under the law" by those I deal with, online or
off.


when you enter an arena where you dont know the background of the
people who are there. You really need to figure who to listen to and who
not to listen to, i.e. who knows more than you and who does not. Then
you simply and politely ignore people who say nothing interresting, and
you listen to the ones who do know what they are talking about.

And be seen and not heard, no doubt. That is the way I hear they do
things where you apparently come from (based on your attitudes and your
reference to Kim Jong-Il), but that is not the way of my part of the
world and it is not my way.

What you did was: you asked a question, did not get the answer you
expected or liked and started telling people to piss off. Thats quite
rude, so here you are...

Wrong. First of all, you neglect to mention that the thing I disliked
about the answer I got was that it criticized me for what is actually
praiseworthy behavior: trying to solve the problem myself with some
research, and actually succeeding.

Secondly, I did not simply "start telling people to piss off". I argued
with them about why their criticism of me was unfounded. Apparently you
think that Certain People are not to be argued with by The Likes Of Me,
but since you come from some world of feudal lords and fealty oaths,
that's just you. Apparently, some other people here like to pretend
that they ARE feudal lords, and dislike being reminded that they
actually are not, but if so, they should go join the SCA, where they
are likely to find people more cooperative about that sort of
role-play, and leave me the hell alone. But nothing *I* did was wrong.

When I did get around to telling people to piss off, it was *long*
after it became abundantly clear that those specific people had nothing
constructive to say (albeit a few subtle, "constructive-sounding"
attempts to trick me into either letting their trash talk go
unchallenged or into actually "admitting" to the nasty things they
claimed about me).

first of all, english is not my native langauge and I dont live in an
english speaking country...

That much is obvious, since most English-speaking countries these days
are secular democracies, and your place of origin is obviously some
kind of feudal monarchy or dictatorship.

I just couldnt be bothered to excert energy on going through the spell checker...

That much is obvious just from the one sentence. :P

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