Re: Java 7 features

On Aug 4, 2:24 am, Joe Attardi <jatta...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 4, 1:38 am, nebulou...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:> I'm not talking about people disagreeing with my views. I'm talking
about people calling me a name or otherwise impugning me, personally,
the author of those views, rather than merely taking issue with the
views themselves.

There's nothing that can stop people from doing that. [insult deleted]

Apparently, but I have every right to object when people behave in
such a clearly objectionable manner towards me.

[insult deleted] Nobody is throwing down a
gauntlet and challenging you; you are taking a post on the Internet as
much, much more than it is.

Oh, so now I'm just imagining it, and his post was really all
sweetness and light and did not at a single point suggest that I had
done anything wrong or incorrect, or that I had anything wrong with
me? Yeah, right. I believe you. Not.

I trust the evidence of my own eyes far more than I trust weasel words
that come from a keyboard registered in the name of Joe Attardi. :P

You'll be better off when you just start ignoring it.

Except that then, the insulting things will stand unchallenged as part
of the record. Someday someone will find that someone called me an
idiot and I meekly accepted their judgment of me. And decide that
either I'm an idiot as evidenced by my appearing to agree that I'm an
idiot, an idiot for not having spoken up in my own defense, or a
floormat. I'd rather not have that future person think of me as either
an idiot or a floormat, and I certainly don't want to give anyone here
the power to make sure that happens by simply calling me an idiot; but
my ignoring such a thing would give them precisely that power.

Which conveniently excuses you from coming up with a response to any
of it.

What response can there possibly be to a bunch of nonsense? More
nonsense? I'm not going to stoop to your level; sorry.

Or you could ignore the post in question and

have it stand unchallenged as the Official Truth about Twisted, as
evidenced by Twisted himself not having corrected it given ample
opportunity?

Er, no thanks.

What "victory"!!?? Again you make more out of an Internet argument
than it ever will be.

It's my attackers that have made it a matter of win, lose, or draw. As
evidenced by their insistence on having the last word, among other
things.

Except that I am using Google Groups like you. The difference is I
don't whine and complain when it gives me trouble.

Floormat.

Then why, in the past, have you publicly accused me of being a know-
nothing who can't get anything right?

Unless you can provide me with a citation where I made such a broad
assumption, you are full of ***.

Not in so many words, but every single time you've questioned my
intelligence, denigrated my competence, or otherwise publicly behaved
as if you think I'm something you found under a rock, you've implied
something of the sort; particularly it is implied by the cumulative
volume of such incidents, if not always by a single one of them. Ditto
for other attackers whos posts have repeatedly questioned by honesty,
intelligence, or competence; the repetition itself implies the beliefs
about me that they seek to publicly promote.

Well I may not be able to stop them publicly promoting such beliefs,
but I can keep sabotaging them with counterweights that keep them
tipping the scales in one direction, and I can keep publicly calling
attention to their own hostile, bad-faith behavior and evident sleazy
motives! I can hope to make their attacks less effective and to make
their own reputations become mud by their very actions if they keep it
up. And I can at minimum not go down without a fight.

It's stuff that suggests I'm an idiot, e.g. "Only a fool believes
that!", that riles me up. Stick to debating the actual topic, not the
debaters themselves. This is comp.lang.java.programmer, not
alt.twisteds.iq.speculation.d; I am not up for debate -- Java is.

If you don't like what's being discussed here, you can leave or stop
fueling the fire.

Me, leave? Excuse me. If I objected to the newsgroup's charter topic,
Java programming, being discussed, then it would be perfectly
reasonable to suggest I find a different newsgroup. But what I'm
objecting to is stuff that is OFF-TOPIC HERE ANYWAY!

Also, how exactly am I "fueling the fire"? Let's see. We have posts
like this, which are self-defense; I certainly have to rebut each of
your attacks lest your nasty opinion of me have more "for" than
"against" posts in the record long-term, swaying peoples' opinions the
wrong way. At the same time, things like my innocuous post trying to
provide helpful information in good faith that that Hawtin guy
attacked apparently "fuel the fire", to judge by the nasty response it
drew. Yet I don't see how it can at all be reasonable to hold me to
fault for an obvious good-faith posting; rather, blame Hawtin for
responding with, if not outright flamage, at least flame-bait! If you
ask me, it was he that was "fueling the fire" in that particular
instance. Tell him to leave!

The difference is I don't care. You are the one that hypes it up like
it's the ultimate goal or else your life is over. Me, I don't give a
crap either way

Then prove it -- by shutting up. I dare ya.

Show me such a documented case.

STFW.

Because it's Usenet. If you've been around for as long as you suggest,
you'd realize this.

You're mixing the alt.* hierarchy up with the whole thing. comp.*,
rec.* etc. are supposed to be held to a higher standard of civility
and on-topicness.

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I will when you do.

You first.

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