Re: Great SWT Program

On Sep 3, 1:57 pm, blm...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <blm...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You don't need to "find out" whether my characterization was accurate;
just accept that it surely was, and move on.

I'm not sure whether to laugh or shake my head in amazement at
the arrogance of the above sentence.

Ex-fucking-SCUSE-me? Now you're calling me names. :P And all because I
said something that, though more verbose, boils down to "I am not a
liar". :P

Even though in most of the cases in which I *have* looked at
the previous post, I've found myself disagreeing with your
characterization?

Are you, then, calling me a liar? :P

(There's an excellent example in the thread with subject line
'Post not appear on group "comp.lang.java.programmer"'; you label
a post from Arne [*], which I'd have said was mostly about FSF
and copyright, with a "PS" to you that was a mild corrective, an
"attack post".)

I labeled it an attack post because it was -- its pure purpose was to
indirectly slander me by contradicting most of my previous post and
implying that I was some sort of ignoramus in the bargain. That almost
nothing in it failed to imply something negative about me, while at
the same time nothing at all in it was Java-related, is sufficient for
my purposes.

Your criteria obviously allow an attacker to slip subtle but serious
put-downs under your radar by simply making their claims indirectly by
implication instead of explicitly, which doesn't do a whole lot of
good.

[*] Whose last name I'm not including because I'm not sure how
to include the required non-ASCII characters. My fault for
not knowing enough about relevant standards and how to make my
preferred tools meet them, but I don't want to let it hold up
this Critically! Important! post. :-)?

There's alt-numpad and CharMap copy/paste, but it's a pain.
Attributions and such are generated automatically and people enter
their From: info into their news agent just once, so it's not so
awkward there of course.

One guy keeps posting with block quotes offset with single untypable
characters resembling >> and << -- I wonder how he can stand the pain,
or if he keeps a text file open in Notepad with just those two
characters to copy and paste from or something...:P

Well, my take on this is that when something goes wrong, it's
usually a mistake to focus too much on whose fault it was -- better
to try to figure out what went wrong in a way that avoids, as much
as possible, people taking criticism personally.

Unfortunately there are plenty of people in cljp who take great
pleasure in finger-pointing, blame assignment, and issuing put-downs
and other criticism that will be taken personally. I don't know why.
It seems to have been elevated to a form of sport by some usenetters
more generally, proving themselves to be King Knowitall and everyone
else to be idiots, or at the very least trying very hard.

Some assessment
of blame may contribute to an understanding of what went wrong and
how to avoid things going wrong in the future. Too much attention
to whose fault it was -- to me it seems more likely to result
in pointless arguing than to productive discussion. I admit
that I'm often guilty myself of taking criticism personally and
reacting defensively in a way that doesn't advance the discussion.
But I try not to.

Eh? I thought you said the problem was people dishing out personal
criticism where not warranted. Now you're saying that instead the
problem is people not simply rolling over and taking whatever punches
are thrown their way?

I know which of those seemed to me to make more sense. :P

Oh my. I would characterize the snipped text as a sincere if
misguided attempt to suggest a course of action that would serve
you better.

Cease to use my brain? Serve me better? I don't see any possible way
that that can help. Actually having an IQ of 80 or something like that
might be sort of nice -- it would mean being too stupid to realize
they were not laughing *with* me but *at* me, so it wouldn't matter to
be so stupid as to become the target of such laughter in the first
place. OTOH, merely pretending to be stupid while knowing exactly what
was going on strikes me as simply masochistic. And either results in a
reputation for idiocy...

In it I assume that your goal is for people to think
well of you, but it applies equally well if the goal is to have
discussions in this group be exchanges of technical information
rather than insults.

What, not being intelligent? I'm sorry, but you're not making a whole
lot of sense here. Intelligence is important in understanding and
discussing highly technical subject matter as I'm sure you'll agree.
Also intelligence correlates with doing better at just about anything,
and stupidity with success rates dropping towards those predicted for
purely random inputs. Yet you did suggest I not use my intelligence.
Strange.

But you know, I think we've been over this ground, or similar
ground, before -- a long thread some months ago in which I
suggested, as I'm doing here, that you consider altering your
behavior.

Nothing in my behavior needs any altering. To suggest otherwise is to
insult me.

[insults my mental health]

Well, I'd say I'm suggesting not that you not use your wits,
but that you use them differently.

"Differently" how?

I thought you said that that included this entire thread, but
apparently I was once again being lied to. (Still waiting for Attacki
to prove that *his* latest promise to STFU was, once again, a lie...)

"Lie" seems like a rather strong and inflammatory word here.

True; it's more applicable to Attacki and his ilk.

I'd invoke the traditional "woman's prerogative to change her
mind", but -- nah, that would be reinforcing a gender stereotype
I don't approve of anyway. :-)?

It's obviously false anyway, unless Joe Attacki has no Y chromosome.
The aggression alone suggests otherwise, never mind the first name.

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