Re: Great SWT Program

On Jan 2, 3:49 pm, b...@xxxxxxxxxxx (Bent C Dalager) wrote:
Except that I don't, of course, as explained previously.

[insults deleted; puts words in my mouth and generally
lies about me and falsely accuses me of ***]

Go to hell. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied
about me are at all true.

[puts words in my mouth]

You lie. I do not hate user choice.

[lies about me some more]

Go to hell, liar.

Yes, we do, both because I've said so and because I've demonstrated
that fact. Now *** off.

[insult deleted]

I SAID *** OFF.

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

Please at least TRY to keep your mind on the topic for at least FIVE
WHOLE MINUTES? :P

[insult deleted]

I have better things to do with my time, unlike a loser like you.

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

YES, IT IS!

[pure nonsense deleted]

Piss off.

Yes, it actually does a lot of good - enough so to enable me to easily
find them all without looking at them.

Nonsense.

[implied insult deleted]

Nonsense is nonsense, no matter what you call it.

And none of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

As I said, the majority of the keys are identical except for
location and visual appearance, so unless you have visually confirmed
that your hands are correctly positioned you may type gibberish.

No.

YES. SEE ABOVE.

(Either by briefly glancing down at the keyboard, or by actually
paying attention to what appears when you type, and adjusting and
repeating if necessary.)

Neither is necessary.

YES, THEY ARE. At least one of them MUST be used or you may be typing
gibberish and not even know it.

You are now just babbling utter nonsense. Why waste your time doing
so?

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Your intended audience must be largely composed of idiots, then, if
you expect your nonsense, mathematical illiteracy, and bald assertions
unsupported by evidence to convince them of jack.

And meanwhile, of course, none of the nasty things that you have said
or implied about me are at all true.

And no, an awkward interface is only an "efficient" interface in Bent-
world. In the real world, ease of use counts for a lot.

Emacs is, of course, very easy to use.

This is quite the whopper. A poll of random computer users asked to
sample emacs and then rate its ease of use will, of course, reveal
that you're a bald-faced liar.

But you were just extolling the virtues of staring at the walls or
ceiling while typing, not half a week ago.

While that is certainly possible [snip]

"Possible"? You definitely were, less than a week ago, nutbag.

I was not, no. [insult deleted]

Yes, you were

If so, you will have to provide a pointer to the post in which this
took place.

I have to do nothing of the sort. Anyone reading this can google it if
they're really curious, and anyone who does so will find out that
you're a liar. Not that they won't have known this anyway, mind you.
As for me satisfying your rude demands, well, erm ... No. I refuse.

[insult deleted]

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

*** YOU. You have misquoted me again here.

What? Someone /misquoted/ someone? That would have to be a first for
this thread :-)

Unfortunately, no. You've done it again a few times, and it's become a
very bad habit with Tristram Ralph, Andreass Leitgeb, and Arse
Vajhøle. :P

I was responding to
something that YOU said, as evidenced by the quoting levels.

Ah, so you /do/ agree that I didn't misquote?

NO, I DO NOT!

You'd said that someone else jumping in and backing me up was
"exceedingly unlikely to happen".

I didn't.

You did too, liar. It's even quoted above, moron!

I will repeat one more time: I am not interested in your gay
fantasies, Bent. Find someone who swings that way to share them with
and leave me the hell out of it.

[implied insult deleted]

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

It does that exactly and only when I instruct it to, so everything's
working perfectly there, dimbulb.

[insult deleted]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

Actually, they're not -- you are, once again, speculating wildly and,
as usual, guessing wrong here. In the future, perhaps you should
actually ask or investigate what my needs are instead of making up
some wild guess and making a fool of yourself in public?

[insult deleted]

You lie. And none of the nasty things that you have said or implied
about me are at all true.

RESPONDING TO YOUR UNBELIEVABLE VOLUMES OF TRIPE

[insult deleted]

Several thousand lines of pure nonsense A DAY posted to the wrong
usenet newsgroup is indeed an amazing volume of tripe

To you[snip]

IN GENERAL, ***.

NO. THEY ARE YOURS. STOP REWRITING HISTORY AND STOP PUTTING WORDS IN
MY MOUTH ***!

[denials deleted]

Lie all you want; the Google archive documents exactly what you did.

Only you find it mysterious. People with IQs in the upper double
digits largely do not, and those of us with IQs well over 100
certainly do not.

[insults deleted]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

Doing, in emacs, the things you can do in Notepad should require no
more training than Notepad does.

Apart from the log file support, it generally doesn't.

That's a fairly fat whopper. Between wonky selection semantics, wonky
backspace, wonky wildcards, and wonky enter keys, ... well, why should
I even bother spelling it out? You won't get this, of course, Bent,
and no doubt you'll insult me or say something stupid that proves that
you are still missing the point completely, but the rest of the
audience will, by and large, get my drift here. And agree with me.
With perhaps the odd especially-vocal exception loudly doing otherwise
out of sheer bloody-mindedness. And my spelling it out wouldn't change
any of those things. You'd still not get it. The silent majority would
still agree. And some nutter with a preexisting axe to grind would
still pop up to disagree or just to insult me. :P

That it does speaks volumes about how
terrible emacs' user interface design is.

[insult deleted]

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

Also, I have much more powerful Windows editors to hand here that
require no more training than Notepad does to use somewhat more
powerfully than Notepad can be used, and only a little to use even
more powerfully.

Ah, so you have a bunch of applications of the type "Notepad with
creeping features" that you use also? But you hate those!

No. No Mayan calendars, NNTP hosts, or other bull***; just plain text
editing with bells on.

Bollocks. I was up and using it productively in a matter of minutes
with no prior Eclipse experience but some prior IDE experience. Nobody
is up and using emacs productively in a matter of minutes with no
prior emacs experience but some prior text editor experience (or even
IDE experience :P)

[insults and a bunch of frank nonsense deleted]

The paragraph I wrote and Bent quoted above stands.

None of the nasty things that Bent has said or implied about me are at
all true.

If so, that's just a sign that Microsoft really fucked up with Vista,
which we knew already.

Ah, so now Microsoft can *** up? Earlier, whatever came from
Microsoft was automatically the One And Only standard.

No. Whatever the majority *use* and have learned to use. That has, in
recent times, tended to be Microsoft Windows. But Vista sales haven't
quite been up to M$'s expectations, and a lot of people are still
using XP. Also, once a defacto standard is established, it takes some
doing to change it. Simply violating it and being M$ is insufficient.
As M$ itself is finding out, much to its chagrin, each month when that
month's Vista sales figures roll in. Worse perhaps being their XP
sales figures, much higher than expected and indicative that many of
the Vista OEM sales are simply being blasted off the new machine and
replaced with something sane right out of the box. :P

Of course not. You're not supposed to use /any/ tool without first
learning /how/.

Ludicrous. Some are very obvious by their nature, or should require
(and normally do require) only a more general skillset. For example,
if you've learned to use a hammer for hitting and removing nails, you
should be able to use any hammer designed for that purpose with no
additional training, regardless of its manufacturer.

Except[snip]

EXCEPT NOTHING.

For instance, you may have bought
an electric hammer which is unusual to you, or you may have bought one
with a lead weight (or whatever) inside that increases the impact when
you strike your target. Both of these operate somewhat differently
from an ordinary hammer and can really surprise you the first time if
you haven't somehow learned how they work.

That's like comparing a word processor to a text editor, not a text
editor to a text editor, idiot.


If one is covered
with knobs and dials and comes with a 500-page manual, that one is
better left on the shelf and a normal hammer gotten instead.

Except, of course, if the one with knobs and dials is /exactly/ the
hammer that you need to deliver /precisely/ the level of impact
required to bolt together your high-tech aircraft.

Nonsense. You don't use hammers to "bolt together your high-tech
aircraft" at all; there are different, specialized tools for that that
are, of course, not hammers.

Now you're comparing a spread*** to a text editor instead of a text
editor to a text editor, moron.

(Ask anyone who has used a steam hammer or hydraulic hammer if they
would rather use a regular old hammer to do the same job.)

Irrelevant. That's like comparing an IDE to a text editor instead of a
text editor to a text editor. :P

The same is obviously true of text editors -- it should be learn one,
learn them all.

I wouldn't recommend that people learn them /all/.

Intentionally? No. But learning Notepad is enough to learn how to do
basic text editing in *almost* every other text editor out there.
Except for the kooky old pre-standardization ones, of course. Not that
people tend to even explicitly "learn Notepad". :P

Emacs is good for [snip BS]

Pah. You're hopeless.

Not at all. Contrary to what you might think, I do not hate you.

Actions speak louder than words, ***.

[nonsense and insult deleted]

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
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