Re: Great SWT Program

In article <068ae72c-8fe4-4c77-9faf-a171186ab455@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<reckoning54@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 8, 6:57 am, b...@xxxxxxxxxxx (Bent C Dalager) wrote:
It is considered opportune to use the terms of whatever field one is
discussing

Which field would be "text editing" in this case.

Of course. [snip irrelevant digressions]

And the general, user-oriented terminology of text editing includes
"document".

Indeed. And the emacs term "buffer" is not identical to this.

("Buffer" does arise as *programming* terminology
connected with text-handling app implementation in general, but that's
neither here nor there.)

No, you're not.

Nonsense. A document is a document is a document.

And, of course, a document that isn't a document - isn't actually a
document.

But a document *is* a document. Something you open in an editor is a
document. By frigging definition.

Not at all. I can open a dialog in Word and that is most certainly
/not/ a document. (Well, it might be by Twisted-definition I suppose.)

You cannot excuse
software misbehavior and standards-violation on a technicality simply
by using a different name for it and then claiming that it doesn't
violate the standard.

Emacs generally doesn't care about your own standard.

Irrelevant. I am discussing THE standard, not "my own" standard.

Hmmm, have the others starting muscling in? Is it now instead The
TwistedBboundTwerpinatorNebulous Standard?

If it should not, then likewise
"It's not a document, it's a buffer" shouldn't give emacs a free pass
here, and any misbehavior and standards-violation is misbehavior and
standards-violation no matter what you decide to call the thing that
is a de-facto document, much as carrying that concealed projectile-
launching "flashlight" is still carrying a concealed (de-facto) gun.

[non-response deleted]

I take it you're conceding my point here?

What, that guns aren't flashlights? I consider it completely
irrelevant. As to your ideas about documents and buffers, they are as
uninformed as always.

No, I am calling any *document*, as in an information object the user
generates and works on, a document.

No

YES, I AM.

You are not. You are calling grep buffers documents, and they are not
information objects the user generates and works on.

Any *document*, as in an open file
or similar entity

Which a grep buffer is not.

I said "or similar entity", dumbass.

I noticed. Aren't you a native English speaker? Must I really spell it
out for you? Very well: it isn't a similar entity.

You didn't even bother to trim it
from the quoted material.

Of course not - unlike you I do not tend to delete the text that I am
responding to.

And a spade a spade.

[doesn't care]

OK, then let's quit debating this and let this thread die already.

I like this thread. And I am sure the thread likes to live also. :-)

Irrelevant. If it is a document (including both a foo AND a document),
and it's mishandled as such, then the user has a problem.

[agrees]

Glad that's settled, then.

One more internal debate between the five of you? You do realize that
the more internal entities that you spawn, the more disagreements
there will be?

Should one of those military-issue assault rifles with a built-in
flashlight be effectively exempt from gun control laws because I can
say "it's a flashlight, officer!" and it actually IS a flashlight,
even though it's also a gun? :P

[more irrelevant and offensive sex fetish talk]

You really are quite the pervert, aren't you?

What is it with these sporadic sex topics you keep spontaneously
spawning? Some times, many posts go past and one thinks that you might
be getting better and then suddenly, BAM, there one comes along again.

It's not a document because it doesn't fill the requirements for a
document.

But it does: it's data generated by the user (perhaps with the aid of
automation) and displayed in a document-editing-type app's main
editing area.

[insult deleted]

Yes, yes, and yes, (...)

Well, I am glad you agree with me then.

It isn't a command line because it doesn't fill the requirements for
a command line.

But it does: it's a command that the user types in and submits that,
when submitted, instructs the software to do something.

No.

YES, IT IS.

Shouting to cover your insecurity again? :-)

(Next he'll be quibbling over whether it's tomAYto or tomAHto in a
debate about whether the fucking things are normally red. ;P)

Next, Twisted will start complaining that monitors are river patrol
boats when someone on cljp blasts him for saying that Java doesn't
support monitors :-)

Sure it is. Unless you really do get to decide by fiat whether any
given command is "a command" or not. :P

No, of course not, but[snip!]

No. No buts. A command is a command is a command.

[something about butts]

You and your sex obsession!

And here you go again!

What I have complained about being your descriptions of emacs having
internal inconsistencies, and your saying things that derive from
hidden (and usually questionable) assumptions that you don't bother to
make explicit until a long time after having been explicitly asked
to. :P

[irrelevancies deleted][nothing relevant to the above said]

So, you're conceding that you've done a very poor job of explaining
your position (if you even *have* a consistent position) in this
debate.

Of course not. All I have done is point out that you are wrong. I have
not put a lot of effort into explaining the technical details. In
retrospect, this is a good thing since you prove incapable of
understanding technical details anyway.

(Why feeping creature
idols? Sun gods and warrior gods and goddesses of the harvest I can
see, but feeping creatures?)

I don't know

So your own behavior is a huge mystery to you? Seek help.

Now you're inventing my response so that you can dream up something to
write an insult to - and even /then/ you manage to deliver an insult
entirely bereft of even one single rudimentary tooth? It's a good
thing for you that you do not realise how woefully you are failing :-)

Cheers,
Bent D
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