Re: 7.0 wishlist?

Hendrik Maryns wrote:
Harold Yarmouth schreef:
Hendrik Maryns wrote:
I think you don’t understand.
I think I'm beginning to find unprovoked personal insults quite
tiresome. If Emily Post ever stumbled across this newsgroup, she'd go
white as a ***!

Since when is pointing out a misunderstanding an insult?

Pointing out a misunderstanding, in and of itself, is not an insult.

Publicly accusing a specific person of stupidity, on the other hand, is an insult.

This is a forum for discussing Java programming, not for assigning blame and arguing over who is at fault.

But now that you've raised the issue of blame and now that my intelligence and competence have been publicly called into question by you:

If there was a misunderstanding, and if it was a particular person's fault, then it was your fault, not mine.

Plus, nobody goes looking for third party collection classes. They go
looking for third-party math libraries, web app frameworks, other
domain-specific libraries, and ImageIO plugins and the like.
Well, they should be.
No; the needed gamut of collection classes should be (and mostly already
is) in java.util.

I agree with that, but it doesn’t make the statement less true that, if
java.util (or whatever other package provided by Sun) does not contain
the wanted behavior, it is smart to go look for libraries that do
provide it.

How do you find such? For things like adding .xpm image support you search for ".xpm image support java" or ".xpm image library java"; for esoteric math stuff "math library java"; etc.; but searching for collections will lead directly to Sun's java.util API docs and related content, and will lead to little else.

(Indeed:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=collections+java&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Collections (Java 2 Platform SE v1.4.2)
Trail: Collections (The Java™ Tutorials)
[PDF] Collections in Java
Overview of the collections Package
Java Collection Framework
Get started with the Java Collections Framework - JavaWorld
Amazon.com: Java Collections: John Zukowski: Books
Primitive Collections for Java
[PDF] Java Collections Framework
Java Generics and Collections | O'Reilly Media

Of these, only two are not about the java.util collections. Primitive Collections for Java provided collections for unboxed primitive types, more or less obsoleted by Java 5 generics and autoboxing. Overview of the collections Package seems to be about a port of the Smalltalk collections to Java. The functionality, aside from Bag, is basically a duplicate of what's in java.util, but with different class and method names in general, and a different mechanism for getting unmodifiable collections (explicitly instantiate unmodifiable classes rather than call wrapping methods).

No WeakValueHashMap or anything similar.

Say, anyone noticing a sharp drop in the utility of Google results lately? Often half or more of the top ten links have no "Cached" and the content at the other end of the link, and that Google's result list excerpted, is behind a paywall in some manner or another. Either it's only available by ordering a physical book or it requires signup. I've had to filter JSTOR because that site produced so many Google hits I couldn't use on so many diverse topics, and there's a ton of other candidates for the same treatment, mostly scientific journal sites. If you ask me, it's dishonest for Google results to show excerpt text that isn't actually part of what's available without any registration at the link destination. The question is who is being dishonest, Google or the sites? I think the sites must be doing something sneaky, like letting Googlebot see things behind the paywall, but Google must be being somewhat permissive too; they really should verify that what Googlebot is seeing is the same as what is freely accessible one click away from the search result link. One way to do that would be to make the result links redirects that go through a Google URL, also letting them get more stats on search use, and whenever one is used, Google visits the site after a random delay, disguised as a normal user, and compares what it sees with what the index says Googlebot saw. If they're different, the site gets its pagerank nuked for its efforts. That and adding an option to exclude book results and anyone who wanted to could have the old, pre-2007-or-so Google back.)

Other people probably have thought about that problem
before, and probably longer than you have (yet).

I don't know if this was intended as an insult, or just as a silly suggestion that nobody be allowed to suggest or ask for anything without first getting a comp sci Ph.D. or something.

Regardless, there is nothing in the newsgroup charter that says that any kind of certification, degree, or other qualification or measurement of experience or expertise is a prerequisite for posting here. So I have not transgressed any rules and I will therefore resist any attempt to judge me or sentence me, by you or by anyone else, for any supposed transgressions.
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