Re: the Java Lang will support Properties in Futuere?

mttc wrote:
thanks for all. I learn a lot and now I filling more comfortable with
Java properties style.

But after all, i [sic] think that is will better if Java support the Delpi [sic]
style:

+for all guy that hate Delphi & VB and many others (I'm hate VB so I
mention Delphi). this is not a Man or women that you love or Hate.

Urrr? You are showing more passion than anyone else on this thread, so we have a case here of the pot calling the kettle black.

this is a tool for your livelihood. So the point is with what your
code is going more clear and quickly. So the discussion is must around
this. All of you not talking about the problem but refuse to see it.

Flamebait. Disagreeing with you is not the same as "refusing to see it".

You have not established that your proposal is more clear than the /status quo/.

+Please give me one reason that Proprties Java style is better! (clear
or quickly)

At least you said "please".

Please give us one reason why your proposal's benefit exceeds its cost. Be clear, and account for the costs others have already pointed out.

+Convince me that IDE that the Side effect of Java style on IDE (on
Completion Long list, with getXX seperate setXX),

I am willing to bet that no one here is going to convince you of anything if they disagree with anything you've said.

Instead one line for each property with indicates [R,W,RW]. We can
add more shortcut that focus on Read or Write.

What does an IDE feature have to do with Java syntax changes? If you don't like an IDE feature, take it up with the folks that work on that IDE.

+Convince me that coding extra typing extra dots (with Bean-Properties
Project) and parenthesis is Rapid my work.

I am willing to bet that no one here is going to convince you of anything if they disagree with anything you've said.

Also, I am completely unclear what you mean by "extra typing extra dots".

I type 90 words a minute, at top speed, or roughly 7.5 characters a second. Even without IDE assistance, the extra time spent with method-oriented properties compared to your suggestion is 1-2 seconds, time spent not thinking about my typing but about the code itself and the logic thereof, so there is no actual loss in productivity. Perhaps you just need to learn to type better, and to think while you are typing?

You call it "laziness". I know that. But in other side if Java
support it, what benefit we loost? and nevertheless we benefit for a
lot developers that coding like: i=s.X is more clear & rapid for tham.

You have not established that it's more clear or more productive your way.

So my main Claim. the Java guys behave like Academy that disconnected
from the workers.

Flamebait, and point not previously made, much less established.

and this cause that Java is will not growing like we want.

You mean like you want. The rest of us either don't care or don't care much.

microsoft [sic] is behave like A dog. the dog is run ahead, but
looking behind where his owner go. this is stupid behave But is
succesfully. I not suggest to behave like Microsoft, but I say:

Microsoft has nothing to do with the shape of Java.

When many developers want somthing that not spoil the Lang, do it. But
Java guys seem like Philosoph on rome gate that try to fix our life.

Much like you seem to be doing. Anyhow, you have provided no evidence that any developers want what you propose, much less "many developers". Even those here who like the properties feature à la mttc have pointed out that its benefits don't outweigh the costs.

Personally, I see it as a nice feature when present, maybe, but not of any particular benefit.

Some other mistakes argument is appear on the answer like:
"the user not suppose to know that it is Field".

Begging the question.

this is not true. Also in Delphi style Property is regular subroutine.

Irrelevant.

Nice try on the flamebait.

--
Lew
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