Re: OT: writing resumes with VT100 for a Lisp job

From: rem642b_at_Yahoo.Com (RobertMaas_at_YahooGroups.Com)
Date: 08/14/04 

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:17:37 -0700

> From: Ian Wild <ian.wild@eurocontrol.int>
> > If so, how? When I use Yahoo! Mail from Lynx, there's a
> > button to compose a message, which gives a form to fill out, but
> > there's no submit button on that form, so no way to actually send the
> > message I've composed with that form.
> Down-arrow to the big text area, (optional: ^Xe into emacs), compose
> message, (optional: ^X^C out of emacs),
That's the only part that works in Lynx.

> up-arrow until the cursor is on a link called "Send",
There's no such link. The top of the composition area and above looks like:

   Mail Mail shortcuts | Addresses Address Book shortcuts | Calendar
   Calendar shortcuts | Notepad Notepad shortcuts rem642b@yahoo.com [Sign
   Out]

   [BUTTON] Send [BUTTON] Save as a Draft [BUTTON] Spell Check [BUTTON]
   Cancel

Compose

   Send an eCard
     Insert addresses or enter nicknames (separated by commas)
   To: someaddress@somewhere___________________
   Cc:
   _________________ Bcc: _________________
   Subject: Test____________________________________

I assume you're referring to that "[BUTTON] Send" thing up there?
It's not anything Lynx can put the cursor on. If I use the uparrow key
to try to move the cursor up past "Send an eCard" the cursor jumps all
the way up to "Sign Out". There's nothing between those two points
except plain text according to Lynx. The HTML source that generates the
plaintext "[BUTTON] send" is:

<button type="button" name="sendtop" id="sendtop" value="Send" title="Send Message" tabindex="6" onclick="Send_Click();">Send</button>

As you can see clearly, it's something for Javascript, not <a href...>
that Lynx could use as a link.

Hmm, I notice your IP number is 193.221.170.178 which is in Belgium.
Are you using a European version of Yahoo, which maybe hasn't yet
gotten the update we in the USA got a few months ago (100 megabytes
instead of 6-7 megabytes of storage per account, and Javascript buttons
instead of <input type="submit" ...> to send completed form)? After
logging into Yahoo! Mail, what server do you get? I get
us.f407.mail.yahoo.com

> If you've got one of these fancy new Lynxes that can do colour, you
> might be able to tell it to show "bold link" is a different way to
> "link"

I don't think there's any such thing as color in VT100 protocol.
However my VT100 emulator on my Macintosh Performa actually does show
bold as a different color: Regular text is black, bold is orange, links
are reddish purple, all on white background, and currently selected
link is reverse video i.e. white on navy blue.

I don't remember how Yahoo! Mail highlighted not-yet-seen messages,
whether it was bold (orange) or something else, but it's moot now
because since the change a few months ago new messages haven't been
bold, instead old (already seen) and new (not yet seen) messages are
distinguished:
  <tr class=msgold style="background-color:#F6F6F6">
  <tr class=msgnew>
which doesn't show any difference in Lynx.

> > and
> > no way to delete a message, move it to another folder, etc.
> Down-arrow to the checkbox(es) next to the message(s) of
> interest, right-arrow to select,
That's the only part that has worked for a couple years.

> down-arrow to the link called "delete"
There's no such link. Here's what appears on screen:

   [ ] [reply.gif] [abook_rdex_1.gif] clubmasterz@ yahoo.com Yahoo!
   Clubs Club Masters Fri 02/09 3k
   Check All - Clear All Messages 1-6 of 6First | Previous | Next | Last
   [BUTTON] Delete [BUTTON] Spam [BUTTON] Mark [BUTTON] Move...

   [BUTTON] Check Mail - [BUTTON] Compose - [BUTTON] Search Mail | Mail
   Upgrades - Mail Options

The title of that last message, and "Mail Upgrades", are each a link,
but everything between is just plain text, totally ineffective, in
Lynx. The HTML source for "[BUTTON] Delete" is:
<button type="button" id="deletebottom" name="delete" title="Delete selected message(s)" onclick="Delete_Click();">Delete</button>
That's not a link/anchor, nothing Lynx can use.

> Or, down-arrow to the bit saying "[choose folder]"

All that shows there is "Move..." as plain text (see above).
The HTML source for that is:
<button type="button" id="movebottom" name="move" class="menubutton" title="Move selected message(s)">Move...</button>
Again nothing that Lynx can use.

When you use Lynx with Yahoo! Mail, what HTML source do you have for
submitting a composed message to send it, and for deleting or moving
selecting messages? If it's the kind of stuff I show above, then your
Lynx must be able to interpret Javascript, whereas if it's <input ...>
then it means Yahoo! Mail hasn't yet done that big change to the
European server you're using.

Oh, slight typo above: Where I said it's not <a href...> that should
read it's not <input type="submit"...>, sorry, you said "link" and
that got me confused during the first part of composing my message.