Re: Alternative tof Microsoft Windows vis a vis Lisp

"Lars Rune Nøstdal" <larsnostdal@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.05.01.19.36.45.895837@xxxxxxxxxxxx

> maybe this: http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/
>
> (it runs on cheap hardware - maybe a "win-win")
>
> --
> mvh,
> Lars Rune Nøstdal
> http://lars.nostdal.org/
>

Thanks, this does look interesting!

Tak.


> On Sun, 01 May 2005 17:27:36 +0000, Takuon Soho wrote:
>
>>
>> Having discovered the remarkable "Lisp"
>> language and with the realization that
>> it does indeed possess the necessary
>> power to be language of the future,
>> the question arises if it might provide
>> the means of restoring individual developer
>> creativity and productivity and, if so,
>> would it help provide an alternative dominant
>> operating system, open sourced and with
>> all the consequent liberating effects that
>> this would entail.
>>
>> The key thing to consider in contemplating
>> a perhaps useful alternative to Microsoft
>> operating system's Soviet like hegemony
>> over the realm of personal computers
>> is that Windows was designed to capture
>> maximum market share and to destroy
>> potential competitors from the outset
>> along with preserving backward computability
>> which was/is extraordinary
>> and for which they should
>> be given due credit.
>>
>> But these design criteria naturally result in
>> an operating system full of security holes,
>> having frequent crashes or unstable states
>> and being difficult to program or interface.
>>
>> As a "convenience" to its developers
>> Microsoft has attempted to "provide" various "visual"
>> development environments complete with "help" systems
>> which manage to waltz the user past every possible Microsoft
>> proprietary technology that he/or she may "need" whilst trying
>> to get help on some specific target. Often an exercise in futility.
>>
>> The answer to all this is NOT Linux thought that may
>> be part of the solution. The Linuxers
>> have made great contributions. But in my humble
>> opinion, the answer has been in front of us for over 20 years
>> and it involves LISP.
>>
>> The Lisp machines of years ago provided an integrated operating
>> system/development
>> environment and the kind of user interface many of whose features are
>> still only a dream today for all but the few who still have such
>> machines.
>> Yes, the microcoded architectures of those machines were difficult
>> to design and maintain - but we are now 20 years in the future.
>>
>> So any attitudes which abjures the importance of these Lisp machines,
>> especially after the AI winter of the early 90's, must be reconsidered.
>> Astoundingly, such attitudes are common and, up until a few years
>> ago, information about such machines was scant for all but the
>> few who had used them. The information "black out"
>> appears to extend even to FAQ's about Emacs implementations
>> where every distant relative of Emacs is mentioned with the
>> exception of Zmacs.
>>
>> THIS is the key to the question of the overthrow of Microsoft hegemony
>> and its consequent current stagnation of software development.
>> Lisp can bypass the dead end paths of C++, C# and Java, but only
>> by reuniting the language with a suitable development environment
>> and operating system, something similar to what Lisp machines
>> had years ago.
>>
>> Is ANYONE working on this approach at all?? There is the
>> experimental "Croquet" operating system which runs on
>> Squeak Smalltalk and that is the only
>> one I know of but there must be others. For that matter,
>> one would expect numerous contributions of
>> common Lisp implementations that run under Squeak's excellent
>> (and genuine) visual development environment but I see only one.
>>
>> Bottom line - I will no longer accept yesterday's software development
>> conceptions, even with Lisp with the "pretend" development
>> environments that offer this or that similarity with what the older
>> machines
>> did.
>>
>> The world that we dreamed of, a world of intelligent computers,
>> geometric algorithm design and helpful robots and
>> all the rest of it, can occur - but will
>> never happen in the constricted domains that Microsoft provides.
>>
>> It can and will happen in far less than another 20 years, but only
>> when we begin to question fundamental attitudes of design
>> and environments.
>>
>> As always, agreements, objections and refutations welcome.
>>
>> J. Pannozzi
>
> maybe this: http://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/
>
> (it runs on cheap hardware - maybe a "win-win")
>
> --
> mvh,
> Lars Rune Nøstdal
> http://lars.nostdal.org/
>


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