Re: Economic and politics
- From: Ulrich Hobelmann <u.hobelmann@xxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:08:36 -0500
One sidenote to Robert Marlow: I won't respond anymore, because it takes too long. If you really believe the system you describe would work, try it out!
Nobody prevents you from gathering like-minded people and trading for fixed prices, finance each others' MD education and other stuff you mentioned. That's the beauty of a rather *free* system, that other systems can exist in it, while the converse isn't true, so that people usually evade into an illegal black market.
Tayssir John Gabbour wrote:
Also, one important lynchpin to your ideas seems to be that people can't benefit from the state enforcing property-monopoly-at-a-distance. That is, someone can't live in an immaculate neighborhood while pumping sewage into people's rivers on another coast. If you were determined to undertake those industries, you'd have to pump sewage into your local environment.
Not really. Polluting peoples' property (their gardens, beaches etc.) is a crime and should be prosecuted (unless the owners accept money-payment instead to settle out of court).
The only reason why Intel and others can emit thousands of tons of waste sewage in East Asia, is that there are no property rights (of the people living there), and the government doesn't care about pollution either.
Right now, the state plunges beaucoup bucks in R&D, as Lisp inventor John McCarthy explained. Noting that wages stagnated/declined despite huge advances in tech productivity, today's fake-capitalist model is about stealing from America's commons, apparently.
Corporations only invest in short-term R&D that is likely to have an obvious payoff, whereas the government subsidizes the hugely expensive fundamental research which leads to true advances, and purchases tech that isn't yet cost-effective enough to compete in a free market. The only corporations that may research fundamental tech are monopolists like AT&T, whose Bell Labs stopped pursuing fundmental R&D once AT&T was stripped of monopoly protections.
True, but if anybody (citizens maybe) would care, then they could just as well finance research from within a non-profit organization as is done now on decree with their tax-money. The difference is that ultra-religious people don't have to pay taxes for stem-cell research, while I don't have to pay for advances that help nuclear power plants.
If nobody on earth cares for fundamental research, then those tax dollars shouldn't be spent in the first place, obviously.
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