Re: Why Lisp is not popular with average programmers

Pascal Costanza wrote:
> David Steuber wrote:
> >>1) no gui toolkit built into the language or standardized.
> >
> > That's true of virtually all programming languages. Java was the
> > first language I've seen to standardize on a GUI toolkit. So far it
> > is the only one, but I haven't gotten around that much.
>
> I also don't know whether Java is the first and/or the only language to
> standardize on a GUI. But note that even in the case of Java this is not
> a clear-cut thing. You can use AWT, Swing or SWT for desktops, and on
> Mac OS X you can also use the bindings to the native GUI library. It
> also depends on the specific IDE you use which of those alternatives is
> better or at all supported, so no real difference to Common Lisp here.
> And if you want to make sure that your programs also run on other
> devices, it becomes even more problematic.

It's an uphill battle to please everyone with GUIs.

People even slam Java Swing for being a horrible GUI. (I think pretty
undeservedly, as there exist things like JGoodies.) I once mentioned
Edi's Regex Coach on some forum, and believe it or not, there was still
some (anonymous) guy who criticized it for not being Windows-like
enough.

Of course, it's #1 on a Google search for "regex", and exactly how
Windows-like is Firefox, Winamp, Bittorrent, and other successful
software? I think the Regex Coach looks more Windowsy than those
examples.


Tayssir

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